Question for KevinSim- biblical gospel articulation request

[Philo Sofee]

First I should say that I am much more interested in God than I am in the Bible, so by no means am I an expert on the Bible. Also, just by observation it appears that the Bible says different things to different people, so I'm not convinced that there is just one biblical gospel. That said, the message of Paul seems to be that because of what Jesus did we are saved by grace through faith, and not by works. But I'm not aware of Paul ever saying what that salvation is from, what we're being saved from.
I am not one of those Latter-day Saints that believes we believe the same gospel as Evangelicals, only plus some. I'm not entirely sure what Evangelicals believe the gospel is, but I'd like to learn, so please feel free to educate me.

MsNobody, I made this post Tuesday night, and here it is Friday morning, and you haven't responded. Are you planning on commenting on my answer?
Of course, I can hardly talk, considering I'm the one that only makes posts one or two days each week! Still, I'm curious whether you're an infrequent poster like me, or whether for some reason I've silenced you.

Kevin, Msnobody asked YOU to articulate what you thought the Evangelical Gospel was. Why are you not answering her? Asking her a question to her question then demanding she answer you is not appropriate exchange of ideas. YOU first, then she.

[KevinSim]

Kevin, Msnobody asked YOU to articulate what you thought the Evangelical Gospel was. Why are you not answering her? Asking her a question to her question then demanding she answer you is not appropriate exchange of ideas. YOU first, then she.

To be perfectly honest, Philo Sofee, I don't know what the Evangelical Gospel is. I thought I'd said that. If I had to guess, I'd say that that Gospel is that if someone accepts Jesus as lord of her/his life, then that someone won't end up going to Hell in the afterlife. This is my impression of what the Evangelical Gospel is, but I admit that I may not understand it correctly, so feel free to educate me.

[Philo Sofee]

Kevin, Msnobody asked YOU to articulate what you thought the Evangelical Gospel was. Why are you not answering her? Asking her a question to her question then demanding she answer you is not appropriate exchange of ideas. YOU first, then she.

To be perfectly honest, Philo Sofee, I don't know what the Evangelical Gospel is. I thought I'd said that. If I had to guess, I'd say that that Gospel is that if someone accepts Jesus as lord of her/his life, then that someone won't end up going to Hell in the afterlife. This is my impression of what the Evangelical Gospel is, but I admit that I may not understand it correctly, so feel free to educate me.

Then honestly and Joseph Smith logically you have little ability to compare to what you think is true. Apparently it appears to me that Jesus in the Bible means almost nothing to you to invest any kind of significant time into learning because your so busy in your own religious beliefs. If it is one thing I know, based on experience, the Evangelicals are madly in love with the Bible and use it amazingly in so very many cases I have looked into. You see why it sort of makes what you say on the blase side, instead of stellar testimonial solidity when you say you know the Gospel you believe in is true as against others? If you don't know others, you have no idea whether yours is up to snuff. That's just simple logic.

[dastardly stem]

To be fair most people don’t know a lot about other religions. The gospel according to all Christian sects is Jesus is lord, died for sins, rose again and requires or suggests belief in him as a means to salvation. The gospel doesn’t seem much different between Mormons and evangelicals, unless we use the term the gospel as meaning all beliefs held by a religion.

[huckelberry]

I have a favor to ask. I would like for you to articulate the biblical gospel as understood by evangelical Christians. I ask this because I want to know how you understand it. Over the years, I've gotten the idea that many Latter-day Saints believe that they believe the same gospel as evangelicals, but plus some. I also get the idea that many Latter-day Saints do not understand why the "plus some," in evangelical thought, places LDS as outside Christianity.

Would you mind articulating the biblical gospel to help me better understand?

I think Msnobody is just trying to open some discussion on the difference but if I was Kevin I might feel like some unpleasant trap is being set up. After all unless he is an unusual sort of Mormon he understands himself as a Christian. He likely believes Jesus is lord came to earth, lived with us died as atonement for sin and was raised from the dead opening the way for the rest of us to be raised from the dead. He likely believes that in the Spirit we are enabled to live new life with God. I do not think these statements would be a bad summary of evangelical understanding of the gospel. However anybody might notice that there is clear variety in the world in how different people see how the working out of faith in love actual works. (sanctification not justification just to be clear) Some people join monasteries others try to live honestly and help others. Mormons might see church activities and temple promises as part of that.

[msnobody]

First I should say that I am much more interested in God than I am in the Bible, so by no means am I an expert on the Bible. Also, just by observation it appears that the Bible says different things to different people, so I'm not convinced that there is just one biblical gospel. That said, the message of Paul seems to be that because of what Jesus did we are saved by grace through faith, and not by works. But I'm not aware of Paul ever saying what that salvation is from, what we're being saved from.
I am not one of those Latter-day Saints that believes we believe the same gospel as Evangelicals, only plus some. I'm not entirely sure what Evangelicals believe the gospel is, but I'd like to learn, so please feel free to educate me.

MsNobody, I made this post Tuesday night, and here it is Friday morning, and you haven't responded. Are you planning on commenting on my answer?
Of course, I can hardly talk, considering I'm the one that only makes posts one or two days each week! Still, I'm curious whether you're an infrequent poster like me, or whether for some reason I've silenced you.

I’ll get back to you soon. I had a very draining week at work and am enjoying our daughter being here for a visit.

[msnobody]

Yes, and if you feel there is a difference between how the Bible describes the gospel, maybe you could articulate the gospel that evangelicals believe. Thank you.

First I should say that I am much more interested in God than I am in the Bible, so by no means am I an expert on the Bible. Also, just by observation it appears that the Bible says different things to different people, so I'm not convinced that there is just one biblical gospel. That said, the message of Paul seems to be that because of what Jesus did we are saved by grace through faith, and not by works. But I'm not aware of Paul ever saying what that salvation is from, what we're being saved from.
I am not one of those Latter-day Saints that believes we believe the same gospel as Evangelicals, only plus some. I'm not entirely sure what Evangelicals believe the gospel is, but I'd like to learn, so please feel free to educate me.

What does saved by grace through faith, and not by works mean? The reason I ask is because, as I understand it, atonement, salvation, and grace have very different meanings in Mormonism.

It is my understanding that Mormonism teaches through the atonement, Jesus conquered physical death so that persons can enter Heavenly Father's presence to be judged. Then, in order to stay in Heavenly Father's presence and live with him for all eternity, one must receive the temple ordinances and show their worthiness by keeping the commandments. Basically, giving us more chances to triumph over our own sins. It is also my understanding that Mormonism teaches that salvation is equivalent to resurrection and the only free gift in Mormonism. It is my understanding that grace in Mormonism is the power given by God to save ourselves, but only after we expend our own best efforts. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ and by obedience to the principles and ordinances of the gospel, men and women can become clean from sin and overcome spiritual death.

I think I would pretty much agree with what Huckleberry said about what we are saved from.

[msnobody]

To be perfectly honest, Philo Sofee, I don't know what the Evangelical Gospel is. I thought I'd said that. If I had to guess, I'd say that that Gospel is that if someone accepts Jesus as lord of her/his life, then that someone won't end up going to Hell in the afterlife. This is my impression of what the Evangelical Gospel is, but I admit that I may not understand it correctly, so feel free to educate me.

Then honestly and Joseph Smith logically you have little ability to compare to what you think is true. Apparently it appears to me that Jesus in the Bible means almost nothing to you to invest any kind of significant time into learning because your so busy in your own religious beliefs. If it is one thing I know, based on experience, the Evangelicals are madly in love with the Bible and use it amazingly in so very many cases I have looked into. You see why it sort of makes what you say on the blase side, instead of stellar testimonial solidity when you say you know the Gospel you believe in is true as against others? If you don't know others, you have no idea whether yours is up to snuff. That's just simple logic.

I never tire of former Latter-day Saints telling me of God's grace. God gave me a gift once, where He silenced me during a two hour and forty-seven minute phone call where I was told of God's grace and a parable explained. This brought absolute joy to my heart. I will never tire of hearing someone marvel in God's grace.

[KevinSim]

What does saved by grace through faith, and not by works mean?

I don't know what it means, MsNobody. If we're saved by X through Y, then what does that say about X and Y? What's the difference between the words by and through? What's the difference between being saved by something and being saved through something?

Then, in order to stay in Heavenly Father's presence and live with him for all eternity, one must receive the temple ordinances and show their worthiness by keeping the commandments. Basically, giving us more chances to triumph over our own sins.

Well, it was certainly important to Jesus that we triumph over our sins. At one point He said that those who sinned were the servants of sin. It's hard to imagine Jesus liberating us without liberating us from that nasty taskmaster.

I think I would pretty much agree with what Huckleberry said about what we are saved from.

Huckleberry said we're saved from a lot of things. When Paul said we were saved by grace and not works, which of those things was Paul saying we were saved from then?

[KevinSim]

Apparently it appears to me that Jesus in the Bible means almost nothing to you to invest any kind of significant time into learning because your so busy in your own religious beliefs.

Philo Sofee, does the Bible tell the truth about what Jesus said, and about what Jesus did, and in general about Jesus?