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Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:01 am
by IHAQ
It’s been nearly three years since I made the decision to stop tithing to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and two years since I first wrote about it. As I explained at the time, I was shaken, even devastated, by the news that my church was hoarding more than $100 billion in an investment fund with no immediate plans to use the money to help people. That war chest is in addition to the church’s extensive real estate holdings and other assets. According to the original report about it in The Washington Post, the only times any assets had been withdrawn from the $100 billion investment fund were to shore up two of the church’s for-profit ventures, including a life insurance company and an upscale shopping mall in Salt Lake City.
It was a polarizing act to write about my decision to stop tithing. And even though I followed up with a column about where I’ve redirected the money — I’ve continued tithing, but primarily to organizations like the Bountiful Children’s Foundation and Compassion International that directly feed hungry children — a good deal of the pushback from readers accused me of “robbing the Lord of tithes and offerings.”
That reference to the Old Testament prophet Malachi is an interesting one. It cherry-picks one element of tithing — the idea of robbing the Lord — and ignores the larger context of Malachi 3, which is about what God expects of us. Some of that is wrapped up in concerns about economic justice. According to verse 5, for example, part of “robbing” the Lord is not paying workers a full wage, not taking care of widows and orphans and not opening our hearts to strangers.
Tithing, in other words, can’t be reduced to checking a box that says you support an insanely wealthy institution with yet more wealth and are suddenly right with the Lord because of it. It’s not just the act of financial sacrifice that makes tithing holy, although sacrifice is part of it. It’s how that money helps God’s children, many of whom are in great need.
https://religionnews.com/2022/12/14/on- ... ment-fund/
I’m not saying the church does not engage in any charitable activities. It absolutely does. Just last week I received an email press release about the church giving $10 million to fight polio around the world.
Such efforts are beautiful and important — and not nearly enough. $10 million is a fair amount of money, but not in comparison to the billions that the church takes in each year (estimated to be around $7 billion, which more than covers its annual expenses with enough left over to continue investing).
The “parable of the rich fool,” which is what Luke 12 is called, always comes to mind when I think about the church sitting on $100 billion in investments (and then some). I know that many members have defended its vast reserves as simply wise planning for the future. Perhaps that stockpile will come in handy in the apocalypse, they say, when the whole world will be in a state of chaos. Or, closer to hand, perhaps it will help to fuel the church when the composition of its membership someday shifts from wealthy nations in North America and Europe to the Global South.
Except that Jesus didn’t talk about saving for the future. You can find that in the Book of Proverbs, so it’s not like saving isn’t present anywhere in the Bible as a positive value. But it wasn’t of value to Jesus, apparently, and he’s the one we’re supposed to emulate. Again and again in the Gospels, we see him meeting people’s immediate needs on an immediate basis. He doesn’t teach that we need to save our money now so that we can be generous in some unspecified way in a far-distant, nebulous future.
Will the FP and Presiding Bishopric be squirming at Riess's uncomfortable home truths?
I love The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It has taught me morality in so many foundational ways: the importance of honesty, for example, and of not shielding any one aspect of my life from the example of Christ. It has taught me to search the Scriptures to find Christ in all things, and to pattern my life after him based on what I read there.
So it is particularly demoralizing to learn that the church does not appear to be following that pattern. Is money the exception to the rule about following Jesus — we’re to do so except when it threatens wealth and acquisition?
It’s an annual tradition in the church to have a “tithing settlement,” even though the language has recently changed to “tithing declaration.” (It is perhaps a sign of the depth of the church’s swollen bureaucracy that the wording change from “settlement” to “declaration” merited a press release.)
So here is my decidedly unsettled declaration: I am a full-tithe payer. And I feel unsettled not because I’m no longer tithing to the church, but because 10% simply isn’t enough when it comes to helping the poor.
I suspect more and more of the membership will do something more Christlike with their "tithing" money, than hand it over to the money hoarders in Salt Lake City.
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:29 pm
by Kishkumen
Yes, a sizable minority of members have redirected their giving over the years as the church involved itself in anti-gay activities and their dragon’s hoard of wealth started to come to light. Some redirected their tithes to fast offerings until the church announced it could spend any of those funds any way it wanted to. Riess’s method is the only reliable way to meet the commandment without contributing to the stockpile of the real estate corporation.
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:37 pm
by Dr Exiled
They listen. They don't publicly acknowledge it but they listen. Just ask the "strengthening the members committee" or whatever it's called today.
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:05 pm
by drumdude
“Marion Romney” wrote: My sincere counsel to all who receive this message is: pay your tithing and be blessed. Tithing is not a freewill offering; it is a debt, the payment of which brings great blessings.
…
A Legal Obligation to the Lord
From this scripture it is apparent that tithing is a debt which everyone owes to the Lord as rent for using the things that the Lord has made and given to him to use. The Lord, to whom one owes tithing, is in a position of a preferred creditor. If there is not enough to pay all creditors, he should be paid first. You may be a little shocked by this statement, but it is true.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... g?lang=eng
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:48 pm
by Everybody Wang Chung
Jana Riess: As for LDS tithing, what would Jesus pay and to whom?
By Jana Riess | Religion News Service
| Dec. 15, 2022, 1:00 p.m.
Comment
There’s a story in the Gospel of Luke about a farmer who unexpectedly found himself with the good fortune of having harvested more grain than he had room to store. What to do?
He had an answer, one that strikes me as shrewd and forward-thinking in those first-century days of subsistence farming and hand-to-mouth living: He would build bigger storage sheds. So wise. Then he could enjoy a future free from anxiety, no matter what ill winds might blow.
Except that God was having none of it. Rather than applauding the guy’s ability to save or upholding him as an example of what Latter-day Saints would call “provident living,” the story has God rebuking him as a fool. That very night, God said, the man’s life would be required of him, so it was wrong to be storing up treasures for himself.
It’s a story that makes me acutely uncomfortable. And maybe it did the other Gospel writers, too, since Luke is the only one of the four to recount it.
I mean, my husband and I contribute every month to a retirement plan. We have life insurance policies. And one glorious day a few years from now we will have paid off our mortgage. Heck, even our contingency plans have contingency plans.
I wanted to open this column with that admission: that I’m not living up to what Jesus taught me to do with my money. I’m not planning to sell everything I have and give all the money to the poor. I’m writing this while sitting in a comfortable living room, surrounded by beloved books and an ornament-laden Christmas tree. I like the comforts of my life.
I do know this makes me a hypocrite. The word hypocrite means I’m acting below (hupo) the part I should be playing (krinesthai). We’re hypocrites when we believe one thing while doing another.
But my church has acted hypocritically, too, when it comes to money, by which I mean it’s not living up to its standards.
It’s been nearly three years since I made the decision to stop paying tithes to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and two years since I first wrote about it. As I explained at the time, I was shaken, even devastated, by the news that my church was hoarding more than $100 billion in an investment fund with no immediate plans to use the money to help people. That stash is in addition to the church’s extensive real estate holdings and other assets. According to the original report about it in The Washington Post, the only times any assets had been withdrawn from that investment fund were to shore up two of the church’s for-profit ventures, including a life insurance company and the City Creek Center shopping mall in Salt Lake City.
It was a polarizing act to write about my decision to stop paying tithes. And even though I followed up with a column about where I’ve redirected the money — I’ve continued tithing but primarily to organizations like the Bountiful Children’s Foundation and Compassion International that directly feed hungry children — a good deal of the pushback from readers accused me of “robbing the Lord of tithes and offerings.”
That reference to the Old Testament prophet Malachi is an interesting one. It cherry-picks one element of tithing — the idea of robbing the Lord — and ignores the larger context of Malachi 3, which is about what God expects of us. Some of that is wrapped up in concerns about economic justice. According to verse 5, for example, part of “robbing” the Lord is not paying workers a full wage, not taking care of widows and orphans, and not opening our hearts to strangers.
Tithing, in other words, can’t be reduced to checking a box that says you support an insanely wealthy institution with yet more wealth and are suddenly right with the Lord because of it. It’s not just the act of financial sacrifice that makes tithing holy, although sacrifice is part of it. It’s how that money helps God’s children, many of whom are in great need.
I’m not saying the church does not engage in any charitable activities. It absolutely does. Just last week I received an email news release about the church giving $10 million to fight polio and maternal and neonatal tetanus around the world.
Such efforts are beautiful and important — and not nearly enough. The contribution is a fair amount of money but not in comparison to the billions that the church takes in each year (estimated to be around $7 billion, which more than covers its annual expenses with enough left over to continue investing).
The “parable of the rich fool,” which is what Luke 12 is called, always comes to mind when I think about the church sitting on billions in investments (and then some). I know that many members have defended its vast reserves as simply wise planning for the future. Perhaps that stockpile will come in handy in the apocalypse, they say, when the whole world will be in a state of chaos. Or, closer to hand, perhaps it will help to fuel the church when the composition of its membership someday shifts from wealthy nations in North America and Europe to the Global South.
Except that Jesus didn’t talk about saving for the future. You can find that in the Book of Proverbs, so it’s not like saving isn’t present anywhere in the Bible as a positive value. But it wasn’t of value to Jesus, apparently, and he’s the one we’re supposed to emulate. Again and again in the Gospels, we see him meeting people’s immediate needs on an immediate basis. He doesn’t teach that we need to save our money now so that we can be generous in some unspecified way in a far-distant, nebulous future.
I love The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It has taught me morality in so many foundational ways: the importance of honesty, for example, and of not shielding any one aspect of my life from the example of Christ. It has taught me to search the scriptures to find Christ in all things, and to pattern my life after him based on what I read there.
So it is particularly demoralizing to learn that the church does not appear to be following that pattern. Is money the exception to the rule about following Jesus — we’re to do so except when it threatens wealth and acquisition?
It’s an annual tradition in the church to have a “tithing settlement,” even though the language has recently changed to “tithing declaration.” (It is perhaps a sign of the depth of the church’s swollen bureaucracy that the wording change from “settlement” to “declaration” merited a news release.)
So here is my decidedly unsettled declaration: I am a full-tithe payer. And I feel unsettled not because I’m no longer paying it to the church, but because 10% simply isn’t enough when it comes to helping the poor.
(The views expressed in this opinion piece do not necessarily reflect those of Religion News Service.)
By Jana Riess | Religion News Service
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/12 ... hing-what/
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:32 pm
by malkie
drumdude wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:05 pm
“Marion Romney” wrote: My sincere counsel to all who receive this message is: pay your tithing and be blessed. Tithing is not a freewill offering; it is a debt, the payment of which brings great blessings.
…
A Legal Obligation to the Lord
From this scripture it is apparent that tithing is a debt which everyone owes to the Lord as rent for using the things that the Lord has made and given to him to use. The Lord, to whom one owes tithing, is in a position of a preferred creditor. If there is not enough to pay all creditors, he should be paid first. You may be a little shocked by this statement, but it is true.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... g?lang=eng
If "the Lord" wants me to give him my money before I buy food for my kids he should at least have the decency to come and ask me for it himself.
Otherwise, as KevinSim might say, it's just a person's opinion about whether the Lord is owed my money, and, further, whether that means I should give it to a multi-billion corporation.
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:01 am
by Dr Moore
I would like to see where in any of the holy scriptures it states that the church of God accumulated enough money to operate without tithes, supported entirely from the spoils of capitalism. That’s where the so called church of God is today.
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:52 am
by Moksha
Dr Exiled wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:37 pm
They listen. They don't publicly acknowledge it but they listen. Just ask the "strengthening the members committee" or whatever it's called today.
The research department has found that when Church Authorities say "jump" the members ask, "how high?"
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:36 pm
by BeNotDeceived
What a woman of honesty and integrity, something the LDS 'church' knows nothing about.
Re: Jana Riess makes her tithing declaration, is the FP listening?
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:50 pm
by Philo Sofee
BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:36 pm
What a woman of honesty and integrity, something the LDS 'church' knows nothing about.
The old boys will surely find a way to convince her she ought not continue being a member...