The Q12 currently only has an "acting" President - and he’s a proven fraudster!

[Dr Exiled]

I think it’s semantics, but I’ve amended the opening post to say “proven” fraudster.

That there had been violations of Securities laws, including misleading information, was the finding of the SEC after an investigation. That of itself is very damning.

Yes, but doesn't cojcolds need a barnstorming, devil may care, salesman of salesman to lead its missionary effort, just like Ballard, a descendant of the one and only Hyrum Smith? Sure, he might have had to negotiate a settlement with the SEC over some stock deal and perhaps some people lost money, but, that was probably due to over-exuberance. Emotion got the best of our hero. A little hot air is good at times. It breaks up the monotony. Tell me some lies baby and I will believe them! Prepare, invite, follow up relentlessly and don't be afraid to give a little push into the baptismal font that is always prepared.

[sock puppet]

That there had been violations of Securities laws, including misleading information, was the finding of the SEC after an investigation. That of itself is very damning.

Yes, but doesn't cojcolds need a barnstorming, devil may care, salesman of salesman to lead its missionary effort, just like Ballard, a descendant of the one and only Hyrum Smith? Sure, he might have had to negotiate a settlement with the SEC over some stock deal and perhaps some people lost money, but, that was probably due to over-exuberance. Emotion got the best of our hero. A little hot air is good at times. It breaks up the monotony. Tell me some lies baby and I will believe them! Prepare, invite, follow up relentlessly and don't be afraid to give a little push into the baptismal font that is always prepared.

Maybe Ballard will be selling NFT Trading Cards depicting himself as a barnstorming, devil may care, salesman of salesman to lead its missionary effort, descendant of the one and only Hyrum Smith

[master_dc]

Why wasn't he called and set apart simply as "President"? I may be able to answer my own question - Oaks is still designated as President of the Q12. He didn't relinquish that when called as counsellor in the FP. Why not?

The senior Apostle is always the president of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles. If the senior Apostle is in the first presidency, then they name an acting President of the Quorum. I believe this is important (to them) because at the time of death of the President of the church, the first presidency is dissolved, and the Senior apostle is once again the president of the Quorum of the 12 (14 - smh) apostles.

Welcome to Whose Line Is It Anyway?,the show where everything is made up and the points don't matter.

[IHAQ]

Why wasn't he called and set apart simply as "President"? I may be able to answer my own question - Oaks is still designated as President of the Q12. He didn't relinquish that when called as counsellor in the FP. Why not?

The senior Apostle is always the president of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles. If the senior Apostle is in the first presidency, then they name an acting President of the Quorum. I believe this is important (to them) because at the time of death of the President of the church, the first presidency is dissolved, and the Senior apostle is once again the president of the Quorum of the 12 (14 - smh) apostles.

Welcome to Whose Line Is It Anyway?,the show where everything is made up and the points don't matter.

Thank you for this.

[Moksha]

I believe this is important (to them) because at the time of death of the President of the church, the first presidency is dissolved, and the Senior apostle is once again the president of the Quorum of the 12 (14 - smh) apostles.

I think at that point the membership turns its eyes to the vuvuzela of Moroni and waits for a puff of white smoke to emerge.

[Dr. Sunstoned]

I don't think this means Ballard was convicted of anything. But I do say the incident made him come off a bit shady.

Yes he is a little shady.

“We would have to say, as two apostles who have covered the world and know the history of the Church and know the integrity of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve from the beginning, there has been no attempt on the part of the Church leaders to try to hide anything from anybody.”

I'm thinking he comes across as slipper as hell.