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Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:42 am
by Kishkumen
In short, to equate human leaders with God is a dangerous, fascistic thing to promote.
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:29 am
by MG 2.0
Rivendale wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:30 pm
Jesus could clear all this up in 5 minutes.
He did. In the sacred grove.
This was an awesome talk. I appreciate the link.
A scripture was referred to.
Helaman 5:12
Worth reading again.
Listened to the talk from beginning to end. How many others here did? Context makes all the difference. I’ve said that many a time. And it’s true.
Regards,
MG
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:56 am
by Doctor CamNC4Me
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:29 am
Rivendale wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:30 pm
Jesus could clear all this up in 5 minutes.
He did. In the sacred grove.
This was an awesome talk. I appreciate the link.
A scripture was referred to.
Helaman 5:12
Worth reading again.
Listened to the talk from beginning to end. How many others here did? Context makes all the difference. I’ve said that many a time. And it’s true.
Regards,
MG
Prāyaścitta the Sanskrit word which means "atonement, penance, expiation". In Hinduism, it is a dharma-related term and refers to voluntarily accepting one's errors and misdeeds, confession, repentance, means of penance and expiation to undo or reduce the karmic consequences. - wiki
Here’s some more reading for your spiritual growth:
https://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Atonement_(BG_and_SB)
Here’s a copy of the BG for your study:
https://library.um.edu.mo/ebooks/b17771201.pdf
- Doc
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:27 am
by MG 2.0
Kishkumen wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:42 am
In short, to equate human leaders with God is a dangerous, fascistic thing to promote.
There is that risk. But then on the other hand we have Amos 3:7.
And we find ourselves somewhere in between the potential dangers and the potential blessings that are attached, one way or the other, to prophetical influence. For good or for ill.
The hope is that a prophet that we sustain as a ‘true’ prophet will not lead us astray.
I think that the talk linked to in this thread does an excellent job helping us know how and when to rely on prophets.
I’m hoping others listened to the complete talk.
Regards,
MG
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:37 am
by MG 2.0
malkie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:51 pm
Is this not a valid example of taking the Lord's name in vain?
Listen to the whole talk in the spirit in which it was given and I think you will see it differently. But then again, maybe not.
I know a while back you said you were not going to respond to my posts anymore. In your mind I’m sure that you thought you had good reasons not to do so.
I don’t expect that you will/need to respond to this one.
I would only suggest that you and others actually listen to the whole talk…if you didn’t.
Regards,
MG
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:37 am
by Kishkumen
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:27 am
Kishkumen wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:42 am
In short, to equate human leaders with God is a dangerous, fascistic thing to promote.
There is that risk. But then on the other hand we have Amos 3:7.
That's not self-explanatory. You can't just say "Amos 3:7" and expect anyone to be persuaded by that. This verse does not equate human leaders with God.
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:40 am
by MG 2.0
Kishkumen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:37 am
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:27 am
There is that risk. But then on the other hand we have Amos 3:7.
That's not self-explanatory. You can't just say "Amos 3:7" and expect anyone to be persuaded by that. This verse does not equate human leaders with God.
Amos:3
7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
What do you think this scripture is saying?
Regards,
MG
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:44 am
by Shulem
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:27 am
Kishkumen wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:42 am
In short, to equate human leaders with God is a dangerous, fascistic thing to promote.
There is that risk. But then on the other hand we have Amos 3:7.
But what about the centuries and centuries of the so-called Great Apostasy when God could do nothing because he had no prophets to reveal anything to?
I don't believe in Amos 3:7 any more than Talmage's so-called Great Apostasy.
Mormonism is false and I know that with all my mind and heart. I so testify.
I have had my own bloody revelations and they differ from Joseph Smith's who was constantly lying and making crap up.
Amen
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:54 am
by Everybody Wang Chung
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:40 am
What do you think this scripture is saying?
Re: New Mormon Doctrine - the church is identical to the Savior
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:56 am
by Kishkumen
MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:40 am
What do you think this scripture is saying?
For one thing, it is a load of codswallop. For surely the Lord God does lots of things without revealing a damn thing to his servants the prophets.