Making Covenants

[honorentheos]

So you came back to assert that you have a relationship that makes you special that is a bit like a dork claiming they for sure have the hottest girlfriend they can't introduce to anyone?

Cool story.

Take it as you will.

Regards,
MG

If your argument once again demands one just accept your claim God exists, it isn't taking it as I will. It's as one must. It's just another way to frame your favorite pastime of demanding folks accept something contra the evidence.

[MopologistGPT]

The book by Kerry Muhlestein highlights the importance of making covenants with God, as they create a bond between us and God and define our relationship with Him. The covenant path is a way to a perfect relationship of full unity with God, and keeping covenants enhances and changes that relationship. President Nelson has emphasized the importance of covenants, and reading the book can provide new insights on covenant keeping. In summary, the gospel is all about covenant keeping with God.

[canpakes]

The ONLY thing that makes LDS covenants unique from every other tradition is the claim to authority.

You’ve got that right.

And that makes all the difference.

Regards,
MG

MG,

Why would there be a requirement for a mortal middleman, to create a ‘valid’ covenant?

It would seem strange that God would just figure on making all of humanity wait several thousand years until deciding to let Joseph Smith start a church, so that any covenants could then be processed through said Church and deemed valid.

[Gadianton]

sounds a lot like slavery. I highly recommend that people do not enter into covenants with the Lord.

[sock puppet]

I’ve been reading a book by Kerry Muhlestein whom many of you are probably familiar with. In this book he lays out the importance of making covenants with God.

The foremost reason we should learn about the covenant is because of the bond that forges between us and God. Covenants have always been about creating relationships. In ancient times, they delineated the relationship between countries or people. The covenant path is really about our relationship with God; it is a path to a perfect relationship of full unity. Throughout history, people have either been in a covenant relationship with God, which defines them as His people, or they have not, which means they are not His people. Clearly, everyone is a child of God, but the choice to be part of a covenant enhances and changes that relationship. Even for those in the covenant, the relationship is defined by whether or not they keep the covenant. Yet there is a difference between those who have made a covenant and are not keeping it, and those who have not made the covenant, even if people in those two categories are behaving in the same way.
pg.9

President Nelson has been emphasizing covenants for many years now. As prophet he is emphasizing it even more. If you haven’t read this book, I’d recommend it. I’m learning a lot about covenants and covenant keeping that I haven’t ever really thought about before.

https://www.amazon.com/God-Will-Prevail ... 478&sr=8-1

In essence, the gospel is all about covenant keeping with God.

It’s easy to lose sight of that.

Regards,
MG

The notion of covenants renders the religion to be nothing but transactional.

[MG 2.0]

To which specific covenants does the author refer? And because covenants involve reciprocity, what promises does God make toward those who covenant with Him?

Read the book.

Honestly, until I began reading the book I hadn’t an idea of just how important covenants are in the plan of salvation/exaltation.

Read the book. It could change the way you’ve thought about God.

By the way, unless you’ve forgotten, you know what some of those promises are.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

MG0.0 - Once you’ve clearly demonstrated that the Church has a track record of being trustworthy, then we can move on to what Mulestain is rabbiting on about.

I think you may have it backwards.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Take it as you will.

Regards,
MG

If your argument once again demands one just accept your claim God exists, it isn't taking it as I will. It's as one must. It's just another way to frame your favorite pastime of demanding folks accept something contra the evidence.

I do couch my remarks/comments within the parameters of God’s existence. And I know I cannot prove that to you.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

You’ve got that right.

And that makes all the difference.

Regards,
MG

MG,

Why would there be a requirement for a mortal middleman, to create a ‘valid’ covenant?

It would seem strange that God would just figure on making all of humanity wait several thousand years until deciding to let Joseph Smith start a church, so that any covenants could then be processed through said Church and deemed valid.

How would you know what these covenants are and how they are administered without an earthly conduit?

Covenants in one form or another have existed throughout Judaeo-Christian history. God reveals to mankind that which hey are able to bear.

Again, without God revealing covenants how would you know what said covenants are?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

sounds a lot like slavery. I highly recommend that people do not enter into covenants with the Lord.

Obedience is part of the deal, yes.

Slavery? Depends on whether or not you consider following Christ a forced path or not.

You’re not being forced to do anything, right?

Regards,
MG