Unfortunately the church has also made liars of members of the Q12 - well, "liars" is too strong a term, because I believe that the size of EPA's holdings was not shared with the apostles - probably above their paygrade.
Here is an apostle talking to the Vice-President of Zimbabwe, a country whose GDP was less than $18 billion. At the time the EPA's wealth in 13F-reportable securities alone was around twice that amount.
“We want to help in every way we can,” said Elder Andersen. “We are not a wealthy people but we are good people, and we share what we have,” he added.
Benign and altruistic when they lied on form 13F? When they unnecessarily created the LLC's scattered throughout the country? Really? I don't see how you can justify that belief, but, again, cognitive dissonance is a real phenomenon. If the sun is shining and you believe it isn't, that doesn't make the sun stop shining.
Well, to be more accurate, the LLCs were not actually scattered across the country - they were located in Utah.
It's just that on the 13Fs they represented that the LLCs were in different places. Just another little "trick" to obfuscate.
I took another look at the SEC order. The only state of formation identified is Delaware. That makes sense, as Delaware does not make the members of an LLC publicly available. If you want to hide the identity of the “owners” of an LLC, Delaware is your best friend.
The principle places of business were listed as being in other states, although the addresses in those states were just a drops. The scheme was set up so that there would be no contact with Utah.
he/him When I go to sea, don’t fear for me. Fear for the storm.
Jessica Best, Fear for the Storm. From The Strange Case of the Starship Iris.
Benign and altruistic when they lied on form 13F? When they unnecessarily created the LLC's scattered throughout the country? Really? I don't see how you can justify that belief, but, again, cognitive dissonance is a real phenomenon. If the sun is shining and you believe it isn't, that doesn't make the sun stop shining.
Well, to be more accurate, the LLCs were not actually scattered across the country - they were located in Utah.
It's just that on the 13Fs they represented that the LLCs were in different places. Just another little "trick" to obfuscate.
Thanks for the correction and thanks to Res Ipsa as well. We should be as accurate as possible in how the church misleads. The poor members that remain deserve nothing less.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
Well, to be more accurate, the LLCs were not actually scattered across the country - they were located in Utah.
It's just that on the 13Fs they represented that the LLCs were in different places. Just another little "trick" to obfuscate.
I took another look at the SEC order. The only state of formation identified is Delaware. That makes sense, as Delaware does not make the members of an LLC publicly available. If you want to hide the identity of the “owners” of an LLC, Delaware is your best friend.
The principle places of business were listed as being in other states, although the addresses in those states were just a drops. The scheme was set up so that there would be no contact with Utah.
Ahhh, thanks - I need to upgrade my reading skills
"Being God is hard work. You know you’ve done your job right when no one is quite sure if you’ve done anything at all." - drumdude
I took another look at the SEC order. The only state of formation identified is Delaware. That makes sense, as Delaware does not make the members of an LLC publicly available. If you want to hide the identity of the “owners” of an LLC, Delaware is your best friend.
The principle places of business were listed as being in other states, although the addresses in those states were just a drops. The scheme was set up so that there would be no contact with Utah.
Ahhh, thanks - I need to upgrade my reading skills
It was buried in the order. The press coverage was very unclear. I had it wrong until I read the order.
he/him When I go to sea, don’t fear for me. Fear for the storm.
Jessica Best, Fear for the Storm. From The Strange Case of the Starship Iris.
RobertDHales wrote:
When a person mishandles the Lord’s resources, he risks losing his place in the kingdom. He may jeopardize his own faith and even weaken the faith of generations to come.
mishandle: to deal with or manage wrongly or ignorantly.
Yup. Incurring a $5 million SEC fine counts as mishandling.
Three first presidencies, multiple presiding bishoprics. In jeopardy. Will absolutely weaken the faith of generations to come.
RobertDHales wrote:
When a person mishandles the Lord’s resources, he risks losing his place in the kingdom. He may jeopardize his own faith and even weaken the faith of generations to come.
mishandle: to deal with or manage wrongly or ignorantly.
Yup. Incurring a $5 million SEC fine counts as mishandling.
Three first presidencies, multiple presiding bishoprics. In jeopardy. Will absolutely weaken the faith of generations to come.
We all know their only concern about mishandling money is someone stealing it from the Brethren.
I doubt that the idea of having the Church be run by three AI chatbots, which have been programmed to be honest, will gain much acceptance.
Well it can't do as bas the last three First Presidencies for honesty in financial matters. It might even improve in truthful history and doctrine as a bonus.
