Richard Nygren, “one of the only African-American apologists,” Comes to DCP’s Aid

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I wish I could say that I am shocked at DCP's part in this racist deception. Unfortunately, this is just par for the course for DCP.

Let's review a tiny fraction of DCP's racist behavior:

-- Posting lynching photos with cute captions.

-- Posting that African Americans should be grateful for slavery because they now get to live here.

-- Attacking MLK in article after article.
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Dr. Peterson has a clear chance to redeem himself here. He can condemn Parker’s racist, anti-Mormon behavior (hey, he says he “didn’t know”). Or he can do nothing, which may cost him in the long run.
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oh sorry, drumdude, I didn't realize you had already posted DCP's stuff.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:07 pm
Ok. I’m officially calling out Boylan, Smoot, and DCP. They’re 100% lying about a black LDS man from Alabama named Richard Nygren. It’s time to put up some evidence this man exists, or they’re outing themselves as white men who think it’s funny to invent a black man’s identity in order to hide the identity or identities of the people behind the NNL blog.

Despicable.

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So, these guys knew Mike Parker, the Hurricane West Stake Adult Religion Class teacher, devised a ruse of being a black man from Alabama operating the NNL attack blog, and they participated in the ruse? Absolutely reprobate behavior. The lot of them. The Mormon church needs to muzzle these animals. All of them.

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And in a bit of synchronicity:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Utah/comments/ ... _utah_but/
I’m hoping to do environmental work in Utah but spiraled in a rabbit hole about racism in the state. [serious]

18(M) black and applied to work with the American conservation experience in Hurricane and was wondering if it’s true and if I should even bother coming down to the state if I get the job. I saw somebody on indeed talking about racism in a different state which made me curious about the demographics of Utah and it seems discouraging to say the least.

Videos and horror stories of African Americans talking about their negative experiences for what seems like just existing and borderline insane Mormons.

I never even associated myself with the black community, however a hard pill to swallow is that no matter what I do or say I’ll always be lumped in with it. It’s looking like theres no question about the racism in UT, but to what degree? Some claim it’s just African Americans playing victim, others say it’s just dirty looks with micro aggression, and some say they get called the N word very often.

I really don’t want to this interview now and be in a place I’m not welcome. I had just gotten over my insecurities and really don’t want to work in a hostile environment if I don’t have to. Thanks in advance if I get any responses.

Edit: thanks for the reassurances, while I can’t say with 100% certainty it’s one way or the other I definitely feel more comfortable interviewing at least. Overall it maybe a coin toss wether I go or not.
The comments aren’t totally positive for Hurricane - apparently there are a LOT of Confederate flags flying around down there. Makes me wonder about the man behind the Richard Nygren ruse …

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One of his favorite books is "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot"
Naomi Wolf outlines ten steps that "closing societies" – such as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Stalin's Russia and Buhari's Nigeria (Foolani Republic) – have historically followed. These steps, Wolf claimed, are being observed in America now.

The steps are:

Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
Set up an internal surveillance system.
Infiltrate and harass citizens' groups.
Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
Target key individuals.
Control the press.
Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason.
Subvert the rule of law.[3]
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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I hereby declare that the Richard Nygren Scandal is now at the same level of *** as The Second Watson Letter.
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Wasn't Richard Nygren the business manager for a certain LLC registered in Delaware?
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Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:44 am
Whoa. I think DCP has gone around the bend....
There is virtual certainty over at the Peterson Obsession Board that Stephen Smoot, going by the pseudonym of “Peter Pan,” is the author and proprietor of the invaluable Neville-Neville Land blog.

But I know for a fact that he is not. Up until about two years ago (or thereabouts) I myself was unaware of the identity of the blog’s proprietor, although I suspected that it was someone in my circle of acquaintances. At that point, “Peter Pan” identified Panself to me and, sure enough, it was somebody that I knew.

Over at the Obsession Board, though, a few of the folks are claiming that I claim that the actual person behind “Peter Pan” isn’t Stephen Smoot but, rather, a black Latter-day Saint in Alabama by the name of “Richard Nygren.”

I had never heard of any “Richard Nygren” until this allegation was leveled, and I still know nothing about any such person. Until this blog entry, I have never mentioned the name on this blog nor, to the best of my recollection, uttered it anywhere else. If such a person exists, I know nothing about him except that he is definitely not the author or proprietor of Neville-Neville Land. (His Scandinavian name, Richard Nygren, sounds about as likely to me for a black man in Alabama as Nordberg, the name that, presumably for slight comic effect, was given to O. J. Simpson in The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!)

Inspired by my two recent blog entries about anti-Semitism on the FIRM Foundation blog (see here and here), the denizens of the Peterson Obsession Board have been whooping it up about the vast and devastating Smoot-Nygren Scandal.

But the “scandal” seems to be entirely of their own making. And, as of at least today, very literally so.

Because within just the past hour or two, “Richard Nygren” showed up with a pair of comments on my blog.

And this was immediately noticed and announced by an Obsession Board poster who goes by a pseudonym with the initials Everybody Wang Chung. He pronounced it very “convenient” for me and my supposed co-conspirators and obviously wanted his audience there to conclude that somebody had created a fake “Richard Nygren” in order to get us off the hook. (They appear to have taken the bait.)

I think he’s half right. The “Richard Nygren” posts are fake, and there is still no evidence of which I’m aware that a real Black Latter-day Saint apologist in Alabama named “Richard Nygren” even exists. Moreover, I’m reasonably confident that I know who is behind the fraud: It’s good old “Everybody Wang Chung” himself.

Why would I come to that conclusion? It’s pretty “inside-baseball” but some might find it interesting. So permit me to explain:

Two comments from “Peter Pan” appear on my spiffy Disqus moderator panel (First, “Has anyone seen Peter Pan?” and then, four minutes later, “Peter Pan, I’ve heard you’ve been spreading my name around?”). But each was instantly marked “Shadow Banned” as soon as it appeared. Not by me, but automaticallyhadow Banned” as soon as it appeared. Not by me, but automatically.

What does that mean? It means at least two interesting things: First, it tells me, in this case, that the person posting as “Richard Nygren” had already been placed under a “shadow ban” under a prior pseudonym (or series of pseudonyms), but that he was carelessly using an account that Disqus already recognized. Second, and even more significantly, “Shadow Banned” means that, while I can see his comments on my moderator panel, the only other person who can see his comments is the “Shadow Banned” poster himself. That’s the point of a “Shadow Ban”: The person who is under the ban thinks that he’s still able to post on a Disqus blog because he can see what he’s posted. So, until he gets a clue, he continues to comment. But nobody else except the moderator can see his comments.

(If I’m incorrect in this, I’ll welcome correction.)

What this obviously says is that it was “Everybody Wang Chung” himself who posted as “Richard Nygren” and then scurried back to the Obsession Board to announce that “Richard Nygren” had just surfaced at Sic et Non. Other than I myself, only “Everybody Wang Chung” could have known that “Richard Nygren” had posted on my blog. (I learned about the alleged “Mr. Nygren’s” post from “Everybody Wang Chung’s announcement of it on the Obsession Board, and then I found it on my own moderator panel – though I didn’t at first notice the “Shadow Banned” label.)

And then it was “Everybody Wang Chung” who breathlessly announced that I had supposedly deleted “both” of “Richard Nygren’s” comments on my blog. But only Everybody Wang Chung and I are in the position to know that there were once two of them. (And again, I learned this from Everybody Wang Chung and had to go to my Disqus moderator panel to confirm it.)

But I’ve deleted nothing at all from “Richard Nygren.” Those two posts never appeared at all – except to Everybody Wang Chung and, eventually, to me on my moderator panel. They were never deleted. I expect that he imagined that they had been deleted, but that’s only because he had probably never noticed that, during a prior bout of trollish mischief-making on my blog, he had been shadow banned.

“”Oh, what a tangled web we weave,” wrote Sir Walter Scott, “when first we practice to deceive!”

Of course, there is now frothing indignation over at the Obsession Board about my dictatorial censorship, and so on and so forth, which is probably pretty gratifying to “Everybody Wang Chung.” He loves this kind of stuff. He has a lengthy history of regaling his gullible audience there at the Obsession Board with claims to have been an actively serving but unbelieving bishop (perhaps, now, even an unbelieving stake president!) who traveled with me on one of my tours of Israel, where he witnessed at first-hand my buffoonish antics and brazen lies; of almost certainly fictional accounts of conversations with former BYU colleagues of mine who enthusiastically describe the great relief felt in my department and across the University when I retired (or, in some versions of this tale, when I was forced into retirement at the tender age of only sixty-eight), and etc. and etc.

In the course of their howls of protest, “Everybody Wang Chung’s” marks have also discovered that I have supposedly banned a poster who went by “Chubby Steve” and that I’ve deleted his posts, too. My reign of terror grows more oppressive every day! But, as a matter of fact, although I was going to ban him shortly, I didn’t. He hasn’t been banned. He took the hint first, and stopped posting. But he didn’t just stop there. I look on my state-of-the-art Disqus moderator panel and there, under the heading of “Deleted,” are Chubby Steve’s posts, each of them bearing the label “This comment has been deleted by the user and can’t be changed.” In other words, for whatever reason, Chubby Steve deleted his own posts.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson?s=Nygren
That's weird. Here's the Nygren account I saw on his site, with the two posts, which I also read on patheos. DCP has lost his mind.

https://disqus.com/by/Richard_Nygren/
OMG! This means that Marcus is Everybody Wang Chung! This rabbit hole goes down and down and down.
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:43 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:44 pm
I hereby declare that the Richard Nygren Scandal is now at the same level of *** as The Second Watson Letter.
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Wasn't Richard Nygren the business manager for a certain LLC registered in Delaware?
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drumdude wrote:
Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:27 am
The baffling Richard Nygren fabrication is at 5:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR6bJyjU-bc
Yep. It’s right there. Robert Boylan claiming that Richard Nygren was the only African American apologist in the LDS Church at the time.

Absolutely bizarre. Either this is a terrible mistake or someone is clearly a racist.
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