Marcus wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:35 pm
canpakes wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:34 pm
Perhaps i’m a bit cynical about the controversy, but it seems that the Mesoamerican origin is preferred because the North American model seems even more ludicrous. In other words, Peterson and friends can point at big ancient buildings
and claim that they’re ‘proof’ that the Book of Mormon is historically true, without having to present any further argument, even though there’s not a scrap of archaeological and cultural evidence derived from the area that matches the story. They can’t do that with a setting allegedly in North America, which lacks surviving structures of sufficient grandeur to possibly create some sort of plausibility in the mind of an observer.
So the Heartland model must die, because the job of convincing potential converts or doubting members is much more difficult under it.
i would somewhat disagree. The Heartlanders have as much fakery to work with as the fakery used by mesoamerican apologists, it's just a slightly different kind, and they attract a slightly different audience, I would imagine somewhat differentiable by age and length of time spent totally immersed in mormonism, as well as education level. I would concede the heartland group may be smaller, but I don't really know the numbers.
The testimonies of how each group has felt the Spirit and they just know their version is true because they feel it, however, are completely interchangeable, in my experience.
Nah.. Louis E. Hills’ three books have been scanned on line by Google from three different libraries.
Library of Congress
Univiersity of Wisconsin-Madison
I have links to them. I shared one earlier.
He explains in them that he created his theory using Ethnology reports of Central America, he purchased from the Smithsonian.
Those reports, dating from 1904, have been placed online by the Smithsonian.
Hills was completely honest about his sources and motive.
https://library.si.edu/digital-library/ ... -ethnology
One is the “Bureau of American Ethnology;, Bulletin 28, page 80”
https://library.si.edu/digital-library/ ... 281904smit
He also used Bulletin 57.
This has been hidden by the likes of Sorenson, DCP, Welch, Magleby, Garner. They took Hills’ main idea, Tehuantepec, and used their own excuses, even blaming Joseph Smith over John Lloyd Stephens’ books, but Smith never taught a 2C idea. 2C was an idea published by an earlier RLDS member named H.A. Stebbins in 1911. Hills accepted it and shrunk it to Tehuantepec. I know the entire history. It’s online in various documents. I compiled it.
The Heartlanders are quoting the Prophet Joseph Smith, Wentworth letter, D&C missions to the Lamanites, Camp of Zion/Zelph, Center Place (Independence), Oliver Cowdery’s Letters IV and VII.
It’s basically scholars vs Prophets.