Marcus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:02 am
…your lack of logic.
Just a word on this. This seems to be a common theme. I make absolutely no claim to always acting/behaving/communicating in a logical/linear fashion. But I don’t see that as a reason to discount ideas and nonlinear approaches to a topic and/or discussion. To weaponize logic and use it as a bludgeon in order to prohibit the exchange of ideas and feelings is a tactic used by logicians to shut down debate and access to information.
In other words, I may often not follow a strict line of reasoning to get from point A to point B. I may and do hop and move all over the place as I toss things around in my mind and then in turn with what I say. I suppose all I can say is take it or leave it. Not to place myself into the category of ‘great minds’ (by any stretch), but I would ask how many great minds have been individuals that were always logical and linear in their thinking processes? How many great minds went from a point A to a point B and ended up at point C? Or circumnavigated a bit, wading through waters that might be considered to be ‘illogical’ by strict logicians and/or technical orators/rhetorics?
Your hubris in using so called logic as a weapon to squelch dissent from a worldview that you are committed to is readily apparent. You are able to get away with it simply because others are also on board with similar worldviews and are willing to submit to ‘reason and logic’ as a shield against ideas and ideals which may conflict with current cultural fads and moral constructs.
I find your tactics and those used by others to be rather ‘cold’, brittle, and inflexible in comparison and/or held to other ways of seeing reality and the world of ideas that don’t always fall into a nice tidy little box of logic, statistical analysis, and strict linear thinking and reasoning.
Logic is overrated. Especially for those that don’t always have this pattern of thinking foremost in their mind as they’re tossing thoughts and ideas around. Sure, you can cut and paste and take disconnected thoughts and put them back together and shout ‘illogical!” and that will act as a restriction and/or impasse to sharing ideas and opinions. You require language and thinking to conform to a certain pattern or it’s not acceptable.
Well, I don’t accept that. Knowing that by admitting to the fact that my approach to things might not always follow a strict and cohesive logical direction may invite ridicule and condescending remarks and accusations.
So be it. So let it continue.
Nonetheless, I think interesting thoughts and ideas have been shared during the thread. No minds have been changed one way or the other but it’s good to get varying points of view and positions on the table.
Thanks to those that engaged in a civil fashion.
One thing I suppose we can all agree on without having to twist and turn ourselves into logistical pretzels is that our culture/society has and is changing in ways that all of us should be concerned with no matter whether belief in God or non belief are entered into the equation. No matter whether we consider our selves to be on the political spectrum. The changes in our world are either trending in a positive or negative trajectory depending on our own worldview and views on morality.
The ‘culture wars’ are and will continue to be part of the fabric of modern life. Conflict is predictable and necessary as any resolution and/or compromises are found.
Squelching free speech and expression of ideas through whatever manner should be discouraged and be subject to criticism by any person with an open mind and open heart. That applies to those who might find themselves on opposite sides of any divide which may exist.
Regards,
MG