Re: Secular folks should worry.
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:41 pm
The term you are looking for is “anti-theism,” not “atheist” or “secular humanism.” In fact, if you’re actually interested in “civil society,” you should be thinking of secular humanists as allies, not enemies. In terms of promoting civil society, their core values substantially overlap with those of theists.
Whether you specifically singled me out by name or referred to a category in which you’ve placed me, I think my statement is accurate. Aren’t there two and only two sides in your holy war? Didn’t you just label me as an enemy of religion?MG 2.0 wrote:I’m doubtful that I have literally called you an agent of the adversary. I do see Hitchens and other prominent atheists as enemies of religious belief.
I agree. I’m a Romney guy.
Again, I agree.
Literally in this post.MG 2.0 wrote: If you can point out contextually where I have literally done this I’d appreciate it. Actually, you for the most part come across as a pretty reasonable guy.
I’m an atheist. How could I not take it personally? You seem to forget that all these categories you are talking about are composed of human beings, just like you.MG 2.0 wrote:I’m in favor of calling out atheism as being essentially anti religious. If you’re taking that personally, that’s on you.
I’m not talking about Trump. I’m talking about you.MG 2.0 wrote:I’m not a Trump guy. Or far right. I’d consider myself to be a moderate.
This illustrates my point. You are appealing to hate and fear of liberals, leftists, secular humanists, etc. It bears no resemblance to the values you propose to promote or to words of Jesus as found in the New Testament.MG 2.0 wrote:The dangers of secular humanist extremism and GenZ’s attachment to liberal values (not classical liberalism, but leftist views) that are being promoted by secular humanists at universities, and the failure of these same universities to allow diversity of thought, are slowly decreasing the attachment of younger people to the religious impulses of their fathers. A humble belief in God as their maker and our accountability to Him for our actions and behaviors.
This is a classic passive-aggressive apology that neither requires nor deserves acceptance or rejection. I’m not offended by you in the slightest. I’m just pointing out in very concrete ways the stark contradiction between your purported concerns and your own words.MG 2.0 wrote:If I have personally offended you either directly or indirectly, I apologize. If the fact that I strongly believe you are mistaken in your position as an atheist offends you…I’m not sure there is much I can do about that.