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The Curse of Cain

Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 9:21 pm
by Rivendale
The curse of Cain is now explained as a Tattoo. https://journal.interpreterfoundation.o ... nite-mark/
The apparent dictionary definition is “a sign, badge, brand, etc., assumed by or imposed on a person.”24 There are three Hebrew nouns translated as mark in Early Modern English versions of the Old Testament that might be deemed consistent with this definition, but a careful review suggests only one that fits well in this specific context.

Unbelievable. I have read apologetic responses to this involving "skins" as in animal skins. Now Tatts? A new one on me. How does this comport with the priesthood ban?

Re: The Curse of Cain

Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 9:47 pm
by Doctor CamNC4Me
They just quote each other making up nonsense. Perhaps the Brighamite sect could’ve used an apologist or two in the 19th century.

- Doc

Re: The Curse of Cain

Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 11:13 pm
by drumdude
This really needs to be in the dictionary under the entry for gaslighting.

Everyone, including Joe, knew exactly what the Book of Mormon meant when it said curse of dark skin.

Re: The Curse of Cain

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 2:00 am
by malkie
So we now see another attribute of the Mormon god that sets him apart from the god of Christianity:

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Re: The Curse of Cain

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 3:53 pm
by drumdude
Just to document some of the gaslighting occurring here, because there is a TON of it...
Interpreter's spin zone wrote: The Book of Mormon describes a dark mark on the skin that distinguished people who rebelled against God and his laws from those who obeyed God.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ssues.html
Interpreter's spin zone wrote:The source of racist accusations against the Book of Mormon is the assumption that God caused a skin of blackness to come upon the Lamanites
https://journal.interpreterfoundation.o ... blackness/
Clueless SeN commenter's post - liked by DP wrote:Re: The Lamanites: I've wondered if the "mark" was really just a result of lifestyle. They lived outdoors for the most part and wore nothing but a leathern girdle. And their little children probably didn't wear anything at all. Is it too simplistic to suggest that the mark was just a deep tan of sorts?
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ssues.html

What the Book of Mormon actually says
2 Nephi wrote:20Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were cut off from his presence.

21And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 5?lang=eng

What Mormons have always believed is well documented. For example, in the original chapter heading, written most likely by Bruce R McConkie:
Bruce R McConkie wrote:* Old version: “Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cursed, receive a skin of blackness, and become a scourge to the Nephites.”
New chapter heading, written by committee circa 2010:
2010 Correlation Committee wrote:* New online version: “Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cut off from the presence of the Lord, are cursed, and become a scourge unto the Nephites.”
Original chapter heading for Mormon 5:
Bruce R McConkie wrote:* Old version: “The Lamanites shall be a dark, filthy, and loathsome people. . .”
New version:
2010 Correlation Committee wrote:* New online version: “Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites will be scattered, and the Spirit will cease to strive with them . . .”
https://religiondispatches.org/dark-ski ... of-Mormon/

Re: The Curse of Cain

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 8:12 pm
by malkie
drumdude wrote:
Sat May 06, 2023 3:53 pm
Just to document some of the gaslighting occurring here, because there is a TON of it...

...
Clueless SeN commenter's post - liked by DP wrote:Re: The Lamanites: I've wondered if the "mark" was really just a result of lifestyle. They lived outdoors for the most part and wore nothing but a leathern girdle. And their little children probably didn't wear anything at all. Is it too simplistic to suggest that the mark was just a deep tan of sorts?
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ssues.html
...
The Nephites had all of the cushy indoor desk jobs, but the Lamanites had to labour outside in the sun.