Mormon Stories finances vs. LDS finances

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Re: Mormon Stories finances vs. LDS finances

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jpatterson wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 11:28 pm
Dr Moore wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 11:22 pm

You’re twisting words. I said nothing about John Dehlin’s effectiveness as a CEO - that is entirely subjective anyway.
LOL twisting words. You're literally putting words in my mouth and then getting bent out of shape when I tell you that's not what I'm thinking.

You're really losing your edge, my man. When your argument is completely devoid of any facts or evidence, and all you have to rely on is "neener neener you hate John" you know you've lost. Sit this one out.
Man, JP, you really are a moron. They warned me.
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Re: Mormon Stories finances vs. LDS finances

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Dr Moore wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 11:30 pm
jpatterson wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 11:28 pm


LOL twisting words. You're literally putting words in my mouth and then getting bent out of shape when I tell you that's not what I'm thinking.

You're really losing your edge, my man. When your argument is completely devoid of any facts or evidence, and all you have to rely on is "neener neener you hate John" you know you've lost. Sit this one out.
Man, JP, you really are a moron. They warned me.
Great argument. Man I don't even know how to respond to that you really put me in my place.
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My sources tell me John is saving up for a rainy day. ;)
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Re: Mormon Stories finances vs. LDS finances

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jpatterson wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 11:12 pm
Marcus wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 10:51 pm


You specifically asked me to restate the issue and I did, and yet you bypassed it again.

You said the average ceo salary for nonprofits his size is 72,000, and I quoted the 990 showing his ceo salary is 75,000. You were wrong when you implied his ceo salary was over 200k, and you still haven’t commented on the actual way the compensation is set up.

But, I suspect you know this already, which is why you tried to move the goalposts by arguing your ceo “also wears several hats” and her salary is a small percentage of (an apparently huge) revenue.

You are really not helping your argument with this.
No, you're moving the goalposts by playing the game John's accountant wants you to play.

No one cares what the "salary" vs "other compensation" is. You report to the IRS the CEO's overall compensation.
Is that so? You have a little problem then, with your 'On Being' Krista Tippet example.
jpatterson wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 10:44 pm
Here's an apples-to-apples comparison for you...

On Being is based around a podcast that was started by its CEO, Krista Tippets. She literally is the show, in the same way John is Mormon Stories.

On Being as an organization brings in $6.8 million in revenue each year. They pay their rock star, their podcast host, their foundation a little over $400,000....
So, CEO gets over $400,000....
... For companies with revenue below $10 million, median CEO total direct compensation is $200,000...
https://www.familybusinessmagazine.com/ ... 4200%2C000.
WOW. Double the national average!!!! You'd think she also hosted the damn show or something!!!!
I frankly don't care about the labels John's accountant uses to describe his compensation. Ultimately, it goes into the compensation line on the IRS filing. The rest is sophistry.
Huh. You cared in your OP. And Dr. Moore called it, or, rather, spelled it. Vendetta.
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Jp,

What percent should a NP CEO skim off the top in order to be ethical, regardless of revenue?

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Is Rosebud hoping to dip into some of the Church's confidential money by sending you here?
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Re: Mormon Stories finances vs. LDS finances

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Marcus wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 11:44 pm
jpatterson wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 11:12 pm


No, you're moving the goalposts by playing the game John's accountant wants you to play.

No one cares what the "salary" vs "other compensation" is. You report to the IRS the CEO's overall compensation.
Is that so? You have a little problem then, with your 'On Being' Krista Tippet example.
jpatterson wrote:
Tue May 16, 2023 10:44 pm
Here's an apples-to-apples comparison for you...

On Being is based around a podcast that was started by its CEO, Krista Tippets. She literally is the show, in the same way John is Mormon Stories.

On Being as an organization brings in $6.8 million in revenue each year. They pay their rock star, their podcast host, their foundation a little over $400,000....
So, CEO gets over $400,000....
... For companies with revenue below $10 million, median CEO total direct compensation is $200,000...
https://www.familybusinessmagazine.com/ ... 4200%2C000.
WOW. Double the national average!!!! You'd think she also hosted the damn show or something!!!!
I frankly don't care about the labels John's accountant uses to describe his compensation. Ultimately, it goes into the compensation line on the IRS filing. The rest is sophistry.
Huh. You cared in your OP. And Dr. Moore called it, or, rather, spelled it. Vendetta.
Sure, you could fairly criticize Tippett's salary for being too high.

Again, you're proving my point, though. If Tippett's salary is high, John's is exorbitant. And I know Krista doesn't spend her podcast ranting and railing at the finances of churches, so she's also not a massive tool in that way.

Sorry that wasn't the "gotcha" you expected.
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I propose a gofundme for Mr. Patterson.....Who is up for it?
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Rivendale wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 12:32 am
I propose a gofundme for Mr. Patterson.....Who is up for it?
No thanks, I don't need the money. I know RFM has no qualms debasing himself for cash, maybe try him?
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I just wish jp would put a bandaid on his hurt butt.
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