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Is not the worst part of the speech. I was 15 listening to it on a Saturday night general priesthood meeting.

As I got older and listened again at the ending he talks to a missionary that had something to confess. When he felt his companion was making homosexual advances the missionary said that he deck him.

Let me tell you from a job that did risks assessments of a vulnerable population and head injuries are always marked at high risk. Today one would likely need a minimum of a CAT scan. I always interviewed a victim and asked if he or she was hit in the head area.

If any, masturbations kills, very few, mostly lonely elderly men or women when when viewing porn.

But one punch hits kill people, or puts them in long term facilities for the rest of their life unable to care for themselves. They focused on masturbation not decking your companion.

You have no idea what the Baby-boomers went through.

g00gle one punch deaths.

Now I return to my Xanax and drink that has 10 perecent vodka. Good day from eastern Idaho where open carry firearms in the market, without a permit, without a jacket, is legal.

Good day..!

Was it so bad for Packer to instruct young men on steps to take to avoid sexual addiction?

I don’t think infrequent masturbation as addition. I agree with his suggestions for other alternatives. But one punch death kills or puts people in a vegetative state for the rest of their life. Do you think Dallin Oakes will talk about sacred money to pay for a funeral expense or millions of dollars in a long-care facility.

Decking his companion whether a district, zone or assistant to the president should have the missionary released, placed in an apartment and face criminal and civil liabilities. If the so-called gay missionary did the same but grabbed his butt, criminal, civil and an apartment should have been provided. This was outside Akron Ohio. Rent was 500 per month. The non members, doctors (who never charged) treated missionaries as royalties.

msnobody wrote: ↑

Sun May 21, 2023 3:05 pm

Was it so bad for Packer to instruct young men on steps to take to avoid sexual addiction?

Erm, I hate to break it to you, but a large number of women also masturbate. Sex is a really pleasant thing, and has all kinds of beneficial effects. While it is more fun when shared, why should people not seek pleasure on their own when they wish to?

In a way I totally agree. If very depressed, masturbation releases chemical (just minute levels of dopamine) but other chemical such as Norepinephrine can wipe out depression for hours.

Most important, masturbation will make you gay:

https://www.newsweek.com/masturbation-g ... sex-748201

Also, who can forget this quote from SWK:

"For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation—practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality." -- Elder Spencer W. Kimball

The urge to masturbate is the urge to have sex, and that is driven by the production of chemicals in your body that your mind has absolutely no control over. Yes, you need to learn to control the expression of those urges. But (I hope you're sitting down) IT DOES NOT COME FROM SATAN!!!!! So stop letting the churches govern the sexual part of life. I never elected any of them.

slskipper wrote: ↑

Sun May 21, 2023 4:35 pm

The urge to masturbate is the urge to have sex, and that is driven by the production of chemicals in your body that your mind has absolutely no control over. Yes, you need to learn to control the expression of those urges. But (I hope you're sitting down) IT DOES NOT COME FROM SATAN!!!!! So stop letting the churches govern the sexual part of life. I never elected any of them.

This is the toxic part of the speech.

Libido does not magically appear once you’re married. It’s not from Satan when it appears before you’re married. The amount of shame heaped upon young people from talks like this is inexcusable.

Everybody Wang Chung wrote: ↑

Sun May 21, 2023 4:00 pm

Most important, masturbation will make you gay:

https://www.newsweek.com/masturbation-g ... sex-748201

Also, who can forget this quote from SWK:

"For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation—practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality." -- Elder Spencer W. Kimball

SWK knew that ... how? He was not a sexologist, a psychologist or any kind of social scientist. Was it from his personal experience?

Nimrod wrote: ↑

Sun May 21, 2023 7:18 pm

Everybody Wang Chung wrote: ↑

Sun May 21, 2023 4:00 pm

Most important, masturbation will make you gay:

https://www.newsweek.com/masturbation-g ... sex-748201

Also, who can forget this quote from SWK:

SWK knew that ... how? He was not a sexologist, a psychologist or any kind of social scientist. Was it from his personal experience?

Well, he did say masturbation will lead to jerking off with other guys and then to total homosexuality. That is not backed by biology, psychology, or any study or field of science. So he must have come to that conclusion through personal experience or revelation?

I met SWK twice. He 'seemed' gay to me - married to a woman who seemed to be his 'beard,' but I do not believe he ever acted on it. I think Packer was the same and they were both OBSESSED with sexual repression/homosexuality. It's sad that SWK and Boyd couldn't live authentic lives.