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I very much enjoyed listening to Michael Shermer on Mormon Stories. His book on conspiracies sounds very worthwhile. I recommend checking out this MoSto episode.

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Kishkumen wrote: ↑

Tue May 23, 2023 9:48 pm

I very much enjoyed listening to Michael Shermer on Mormon Stories. His book on conspiracies sounds very worthwhile. I recommend checking out this MoSto episode.

I am looking forward to this one. I have read most of Shermer's books and he has an interesting style. He also has excellent videos regarding priming. I especially like his stairway to heaven presentation. I believe that was a Ted Talk. That being said it appears he has weathered his scandal regarding inappropriate behavior that seemed to have ignited internal conflicts on the atheists talk circuits.

Rivendale wrote: ↑

Tue May 23, 2023 10:00 pm

I am looking forward to this one. I have read most of Shermer's books and he has an interesting style. He also has excellent videos regarding priming. I especially like his stairway to heaven presentation. I believe that was a Ted Talk. That being said it appears he has weathered his scandal regarding inappropriate behavior that seemed to have ignited internal conflicts on the atheists talk circuits.

On the last point, yes, I do not vouch for Shermer’s moral probity, only his skepticism. He also says things about gender politics at the end of the MoSto episode that will offend a lot of people.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think the idea that transwomen are ruining women's sports upsets a lot of people. Most liberal and progressive people I know consider it a real legitimate issue.

They just don’t think the debate around the issue should be dominated by religious right wing nonsense.

drumdude wrote: ↑

Wed May 24, 2023 12:10 am

For what it’s worth, I don’t think the idea that transwomen are ruining women's sports upsets a lot of people. Most liberal and progressive people I know consider it a real legitimate issue.

They just don’t think the debate around the issue should be dominated by religious right wing nonsense.

I don't have the stats at hand but I don't think that is true as far as recorded competitions. From recollections the number of trans women participating historically don't fall into any significant categories as dominating.

Rivendale wrote: ↑

Wed May 24, 2023 1:12 am

drumdude wrote: ↑

Wed May 24, 2023 12:10 am

For what it’s worth, I don’t think the idea that transwomen are ruining women's sports upsets a lot of people. Most liberal and progressive people I know consider it a real legitimate issue.

They just don’t think the debate around the issue should be dominated by religious right wing nonsense.

I don't have the stats at hand but I don't think that is true as far as recorded competitions. From recollections the number of trans women participating historically don't fall into any significant categories as dominating.

I think the frustration is when a trans athlete breaks records or comes in first place easily or quickly after transitioning, not that they are crowding out women from the sport. The number of trans athletes is very small, obviously. But I could be wrong, it’s not an issue I pay very much attention to.

It was fun to hear Dehlin get uncomfortable when Shermer stepped on one of his orthodoxies.

for what it's worth, I highly recommend the podcast "The Witch Trials of JK Rowling"

Tim, I did not watch the whole thing. I find Shermer listenable to but Mr Dehlin tends to make me frustrated and impatient. I did hear John agree with Shermer over and over again. What point of disagreement arose?

Mr Shermers comments about transgender issues made sense to me.

He didn't directly disagree but he was clearly uncomfortable.

Tim wrote: ↑

Wed May 24, 2023 6:37 pm

for what it's worth, I highly recommend the podcast "The Witch Trials of JK Rowling"

I second that recommendation, whether one agrees with Rowling or not.