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Tonight On Mormonism LIVE We Will Prove Beyond a Reasonable Doubt That Joseph Smith Originated and Perpetuated Polygamy to the Deniers.

Mormonism LIVE: 131: The Evidence that Joseph Smith was a Polygamist
https://youtube.com/live/SV3f57VZuqo?feature=share

The Deniers claim that Brigham Young altered the historical record to cover for his own self interest of polygamy and that much of the source material has been misinterpreted or misused. BUT tonight at 6:20 PM MTN RFM and I will be joined by Lindsay Hansen Park and Bryan Buchanan along with Maven and in presenting the case as has never been done before clearly implicate Joseph Smith as the originator of Polygamy and Section 132 as it exists today in the D&C. If you have watched this debate with apprehension in making a conclusion or have leaned towards being a Denier of Joseph Smith as the founder of D&C 132 and Polygamy, you won't want to miss tonight's episode. You will see all the Historical Documents, the Contemporary Evidence, and the Context that makes this an "Open & Closed Case" (Thanks Consiglieri)

Don't believe me.... you won't want to miss this one !!!

I thought Hyrum had a hand in suggesting that polygamy might be a good cover for Joseph's seemingly uncontrollable philandering.

More information on Angel Chigurh with the drawn katana and penchant for serial adultery would be helpful. Would the Seraphim and Cherubim disavow that guy?

The recent RFM podcast with the 1 hour summary of church issues was very enlightening. When you lay out the chronology of Joseph’s life, instead of focusing on each detail separately, you can see the overarching pattern Joseph developed.

Whatever Joseph wanted, he found a way to work into a grand narrative. Treasure digging was unproductive, so he found a way to produce a treasure book. Sleeping around was morally wrong, so he found a way to justify it with the new and everlasting covenant.

When he wanted to console parents of a dead child, he just made up stories about infants on thrones. When the mummies rolled into town, he created a story written by Abraham to show off his powers of translation.

On and on and on. Joseph was a masterful con man, and there’s no way for apologists to explain it all together. They just have to explain away each detail by itself and hope you never put together the larger picture.

I thought the reorganized folks gave up on denial of Joseph's polygamy years ago. Who is pursuing such a denial these days?

huckelberry wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:02 pm

I thought the reorganized folks gave up on denial of Joseph's polygamy years ago. Who is pursuing such a denial these days?

Heartlanders. They also think Joseph didn’t use a rock in a hat.

Also Denver Snuffer and Hannah Stoddard of The Joseph Smith Foundation. Books and podcasts denying Joseph practiced polygamy are proliferating.

consiglieri wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:21 pm

Also Denver Snuffer and Hannah Stoddard of The Joseph Smith Foundation. Books and podcasts denying Joseph practiced polygamy are proliferating.

Would that not severely undermine Brigham Young and the authority of the Salt Lake City church?

Or is this denial a no sex proposal and just spiritual relations for spiritual wives of Joseph Smith.(maintaining continuity with SLC).

drumdude wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:06 pm

huckelberry wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:02 pm

I thought the reorganized folks gave up on denial of Joseph's polygamy years ago. Who is pursuing such a denial these days?

Heartlanders. They also think Joseph didn’t use a rock in a hat.

He didn’t use a rock in a hat. When’s the last time you read JSH with Oliver Cowdery’s statement as a footnote mentioning the Urim and Thummim?

Jawbone wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:24 am

drumdude wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:06 pm

Heartlanders. They also think Joseph didn’t use a rock in a hat.

He didn’t use a rock in a hat. When’s the last time you read JSH with Oliver Cowdery’s statement as a footnote mentioning the Urim and Thummim?

Check out the chronologically ordered descriptions of the accounts of the translation process in a table here:

https://mormonr.org/qnas/o4ML4/book_of_ ... n_methods/

Oliver Cowdery never took into account that Joseph was granted Barn Sealing powers before his encounters with Fanny Alger on the haystacks. The Barn Sealing became effective upon contact.