The Rosebud MEGATHREAD

[consiglieri]

My podcast about Jenn’s bar complaint against me “unfortunately came up” in your YouTube feed, Rosebud?

Right….

[Bel1954]

Rosebud—[deleted]—you knock it off. I’ve known John personally for over 15 years. I attended those early Salt lake events you helped coordinate and I watched you, dewy-eyed, follow John like a puppy. I’m sick and tired of you being unable to own up to your part of this relationship. I remember watching you and thinking “Oh, my, that gal is trouble; she’s head over heels in love with John.” I grant you you were not the only one fawning over John. I’m over 70 so I was never in that camp; John could be my son.

John messed up with you and has admitted it. His marriage was teetering as was his life at the time. He was vulnerable. He saw what he was doing. He and Margi repaired it with a lot of hard work.

Those early conferences;
First Unitarian Church on 13th E, and Wasatch Presbyterian on 17th S. Circling the Wagons at First Baptist on 13th E although I don’t have a memory of you there.

You and Jenn are made of the same stuff and it’s not good stuff. Jenn is nothing but sour grapes and so are you. She’s got nothing. There’s a reason her podcast is named “Our Truth Be Told” she had no clue about objective truth.

[Dr. Shades]

. . . Jenn Kamp tried to get consiglieri/RFM disbarred, . . .

Hold the phone. . . Jenn Kamp has a beef with John Dehlin, so she seeks to punish him by sticking it to, not John himself, but a completely unrelated third party?

Someone, anyone, please explain the logic to me, ‘cause I’m just not seeing it.

[Kishkumen]

Hold the phone. . . Jenn Kamp has a beef with John Dehlin, so she seeks to punish him by sticking it to, not John himself, but a completely unrelated third party?

Someone, anyone, please explain the logic to me, ‘cause I’m just not seeing it.

I think this is because RFM used his skills to try to get to the bottom of what happened in the conflict between Dehlin and Kamp. He had evidence that Kamp was not telling the truth, and he laid it out in an online broadcast in a very lawyerly fashion.

[Dr. Shades]

I see. Thank you.

[MsJack]

I can't facepalm hard enough.

• Yes, attorneys can "fire" their civil clients. This is well-known vernacular among attorneys for when the attorney terminates the attorney-client relationship and withdraws from a case. Kamp's attorney is/was being disingenuous.
• Attorneys pretty much only fire their clients for two reasons: non-payment of fees or the client is uncooperative / unmanageable. If a client keeps switching attorneys, it's clearly the client who is the problem.
• Kamp filed her case pro se without even consulting an attorney?? (I know she didn't even bother consulting an attorney or she wouldn't have filed in the wrong court.) The level of insane on display here is somewhere between "Britney shaves her head" and "that motherf***** back there is not real."
• Then she thought she would just file and not bother serving Dehlin and Open Stories Foundation? That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
• A bar complaint is filed because it is alleged that an attorney has acted unethically as pertains to his or her practice of law. It isn't filed because he or she has acted unethically and just happens to be an attorney.
• Is Kamp sure that she's ex-Mormon? Because trying to sabotage someone's real-life livelihood over an online dispute is probably the most Mormon thing she's ever done.

I don't like to doubt any woman who says she has a sexual harassment claim, and it really rubs me wrong how women keep exiting Open Stories Foundation under claims of being mistreated by Dehlin. If there's enough smoke, then there's probably fire.

But Kamp needs to withdraw her lawsuit and offer Dehlin a settlement on his counterclaim, or at least beg him to drop it. She's lost the court of public opinion and she is going to lose in actual court.

[Kishkumen]

I always thought it was more of a Mopologetic thing than a Mormon thing.

[sock puppet]

Complaints to the state bar about an attorney have become commonplace compared to the frequency in past decades. In my legal practice, I sometimes defend other attorneys against whom clients (or even opposing parties) have filed complaints. They almost always are flailing allegations with no evidence to back them up, or simply complain about things that do not implicate the attorney's license and good standing with the state bar. Such complaints are more often than not a last ditch effort to smear or damage the targeted attorney. Due to lack of evidence, or the conduct complained of not being a violation of any ethics rules, the state bar dismisses them. The attorney however gets jacked up premiums when his/her malpractice coverage comes up for renewal. So in the end, it is usually just an act of vandalism against the attorney who has to pay more for coverage despite the complaint having no merit.

[Kishkumen]

Complaints to the state bar about an attorney have become commonplace compared to the frequency in past decades. In my legal practice, I sometimes defend other attorneys against whom clients (or even opposing parties) have filed complaints. They almost always are flailing allegations with no evidence to back them up, or simply complain about things that do not implicate the attorney's license and good standing with the state bar. Such complaints are more often than not a last ditch effort to smear or damage the targeted attorney. Due to lack of evidence, or the conduct complained of not being a violation of any ethics rules, the state bar dismisses them. The attorney however gets jacked up premiums when his/her malpractice coverage comes up for renewal. So in the end, it is usually just an act of vandalism against the attorney who has to pay more for coverage despite the complaint having no merit.

Damn. That sucks.

[MsJack]

I always thought it was more of a Mopologetic thing than a Mormon thing.

I've seen some regular Mormons do it to prog Mormon bloggers as well, though perhaps they were Mopologist-influenced.

I was also always surprised by the number of Mormons who tried to tell my first husband about my online activities (like Karina Graham trying to contact my husband when I wouldn't take down the blog bio of Kevin that he willingly participated in). "I'll screw with your real life if I don't get my way" just struck me as a Mormon thing over the years.