To RFM; Re: Jenn Kamp

[Rosebud]

Just knock it off, RFM... there are no heroes or "good guys" in this.

Your show on her bar complaint unfortunately came up in my YouTube feed. It's all so self-incriminating; such a bad look. You realize that you're being taken advantage of by John, too, right? Just like New Name Noah was? Just like McKenna Denson was? And just like Jenn Kamp was? And just like hundreds and hundreds of other people have been? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? idk

Or maybe you think it's a good idea to make your name by doing John's dirty work?

Look where it's gotten you. And do you really have any idea what John's really up to? (It's worse for you if you answer in the affirmative to that one, in my opinion... as those who really know are the most at fault. Maybe you do know, and in that case... proceed, I suppose.)

How is any of this productive or helpful? Where do hope it will get you long term? How does it support exMormonism? How does it support the many victims? How does it better address the extreme trauma of our people? How does it help women? How does it help sexual abuse victims? How does it help future children?

Answer: It doesn't. It hasn't helped anyone or done any good... only harm.

And it all looks self-serving.... and yet so self-flagellating.

Just knock it off. You're being a complete cad and you're not going to get the last word in any of this because the last word will be gotten when you're already dead and gone. The supportive comments you get on your videos aren't representative of the world.

Go be a Tim Kosnoff or something. WhyTF this?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

For Dr. Shades:

Tim Kosnoff - lawyer who worked with sexual abuse victims.

For Rosebud:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... ssedTheBus

- Doc

[Kishkumen]

For those who are in the dark about Rosebud's post, Jenn Kamp tried to get consiglieri/RFM disbarred, and the bar dismissed her claim for lack of evidence. Instead of taking this as some kind of indication that perhaps Jenn's charges were unfounded, Rosebud has come here to scold RFM for being a bad guy.

Because this is the kind of topsy-turvy world we live in. Evidence does not matter. Only your untethered sense of being right.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Consig responds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIngx5khykM

[consiglieri]

My podcast about Jenn’s bar complaint against me “unfortunately came up” in your YouTube feed, Rosebud?

Right….

[Bel1954]

Rosebud—[deleted]—you knock it off. I’ve known John personally for over 15 years. I attended those early Salt lake events you helped coordinate and I watched you, dewy-eyed, follow John like a puppy. I’m sick and tired of you being unable to own up to your part of this relationship. I remember watching you and thinking “Oh, my, that gal is trouble; she’s head over heels in love with John.” I grant you you were not the only one fawning over John. I’m over 70 so I was never in that camp; John could be my son.

John messed up with you and has admitted it. His marriage was teetering as was his life at the time. He was vulnerable. He saw what he was doing. He and Margi repaired it with a lot of hard work.

Those early conferences;
First Unitarian Church on 13th E, and Wasatch Presbyterian on 17th S. Circling the Wagons at First Baptist on 13th E although I don’t have a memory of you there.

You and Jenn are made of the same stuff and it’s not good stuff. Jenn is nothing but sour grapes and so are you. She’s got nothing. There’s a reason her podcast is named “Our Truth Be Told” she had no clue about objective truth.

[Dr. Shades]

. . . Jenn Kamp tried to get consiglieri/RFM disbarred, . . .

Hold the phone. . . Jenn Kamp has a beef with John Dehlin, so she seeks to punish him by sticking it to, not John himself, but a completely unrelated third party?

Someone, anyone, please explain the logic to me, ‘cause I’m just not seeing it.

[Kishkumen]

Hold the phone. . . Jenn Kamp has a beef with John Dehlin, so she seeks to punish him by sticking it to, not John himself, but a completely unrelated third party?

Someone, anyone, please explain the logic to me, ‘cause I’m just not seeing it.

I think this is because RFM used his skills to try to get to the bottom of what happened in the conflict between Dehlin and Kamp. He had evidence that Kamp was not telling the truth, and he laid it out in an online broadcast in a very lawyerly fashion.

[Dr. Shades]

I see. Thank you.

[MsJack]

I can't facepalm hard enough.

• Yes, attorneys can "fire" their civil clients. This is well-known vernacular among attorneys for when the attorney terminates the attorney-client relationship and withdraws from a case. Kamp's attorney is/was being disingenuous.
• Attorneys pretty much only fire their clients for two reasons: non-payment of fees or the client is uncooperative / unmanageable. If a client keeps switching attorneys, it's clearly the client who is the problem.
• Kamp filed her case pro se without even consulting an attorney?? (I know she didn't even bother consulting an attorney or she wouldn't have filed in the wrong court.) The level of insane on display here is somewhere between "Britney shaves her head" and "that motherf***** back there is not real."
• Then she thought she would just file and not bother serving Dehlin and Open Stories Foundation? That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
• A bar complaint is filed because it is alleged that an attorney has acted unethically as pertains to his or her practice of law. It isn't filed because he or she has acted unethically and just happens to be an attorney.
• Is Kamp sure that she's ex-Mormon? Because trying to sabotage someone's real-life livelihood over an online dispute is probably the most Mormon thing she's ever done.

I don't like to doubt any woman who says she has a sexual harassment claim, and it really rubs me wrong how women keep exiting Open Stories Foundation under claims of being mistreated by Dehlin. If there's enough smoke, then there's probably fire.

But Kamp needs to withdraw her lawsuit and offer Dehlin a settlement on his counterclaim, or at least beg him to drop it. She's lost the court of public opinion and she is going to lose in actual court.