Gemli is back? Or maybe just for an anniversary comment.

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gemli
19 hours ago

"Science flies men to the moon. Religion flies planes into buildings."
This was in response to dcp's 9/11 blog entry, where unsurprisingly his ultimate focus was on HIS contribution:
...But what good, I wondered, could my little candle do against what was obviously a looming worldwide hurricane?

Almost instantly, though, a thought hit me powerfully and explicitly — and almost as if it were an audible voice — in these very words, seemingly from outside myself: “It’s more important now than ever.”

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... e-day.html
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Lol! Yep, always a revelation, and its ALWAYS ***REALLY*** important.... that is.....for him and his reputation that is.....Lol....... the hurricane not only blew the candle out, it took it and threw it over 200 miles away onto the garbage heap. That's the part he won't admit. There is no longer a candle, let alone a neat little spiritual light to hopefully guide at least one poor lost soul to the light. The image is utterly pathetic in the full light of the sun of truth melting Mormonism away these days.
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Marcus wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2023 5:39 pm
gemli
19 hours ago

"Science flies men to the moon. Religion flies planes into buildings."
This was in response to dcp's 9/11 blog entry, where unsurprisingly his ultimate focus was on HIS contribution:
...But what good, I wondered, could my little candle do against what was obviously a looming worldwide hurricane?

Almost instantly, though, a thought hit me powerfully and explicitly — and almost as if it were an audible voice — in these very words, seemingly from outside myself: “It’s more important now than ever.”
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... e-day.html
Wonderful.
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I hope gemli is feeling ok. I can’t imagine a good life situation which would lead one to thinking “maybe I should go bang my head against the wall and be verbally abused at SeN again.”
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Allen Wyatt
3 hours ago

“Science flies men to the moon. Religion flies planes into buildings.”

That's actually funny, but demonstrably untrue.

First, the technicality -- it is people that fly spaceships and planes, not science or religion. Plus, it is science that was responsible for both spaceships and planes.

But, enough of the technicalities. Without doing a deep, deep dive into the lives of those who piloted craft to the moon, it should be noted that there were only 12 such pilots to fly to the moon in which lunar walks occurred:

1969 Apollo 11 piloted by Michael Collins (command module) and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin (lunar module)
1969 Apollo 12 piloted by Richard Gordon (command module) and Alan Bean (lunar module)
1971 Apollo 14 piloted by Stuart Roosa (command module) and Edgar Mitchell (lunar module)
1971 Apollo 15 piloted by Alfred Worden (command module) and James Irwin (lunar module)
1972 Apollo 16 piloted by Thomas Mattingly (command module) and Charles Duke (lunar module)
1972 Apollo 17 piloted by Ronald Evans (command module) and Harrison Schmitt (lunar module)

Of those, at least two were professed Christians -- at least professed enough that the information ended up in their Wikipedia pages. James Irwin was raised in a Christian household and, after returning from space, became a devout born-again Christian. Interestingly, Irwin graduated from Salt Lake City's East High School in 1947. The other was Charles Duke, who became a committed born-again Christian in 1978 and remains a committed Christian to this day.

It would be just as correct to say that "Boy Scouts fly men to the moon. Religion flies planes into buildings." This is because Buzz Aldrin, Richard Gordon, Alan Bean, Edgar Mitchell, Al Worden, Thomas Mattingly, Charles Duke, and Ron Evans were all Boy Scouts.

We would view such a statement as absurd, of course, just as one should view the initial bumper sticker statement as absurd.
What an utterly and completely absurd interpretation of gemli's post. Is Allen Wyatt really this stupid? Or is he just the typical mopologist? Who else besides a mopologist puts this much effort into nonsense?
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Wyatt only proves Gemli's profound point.

It was religion that radicalized the pilots of the planes that flew into the buildings. One could argue the leaders who orchestrated the attacks were political zealots or not good representatives of their faith -- whatever it is the case doesn't matter, they could have been atheists, but the point is the tool of religion and its promises of an afterlife -- a near daily theme on SeN -- was what got the foot soldiers onto the planes. What would the commenters on this blog do to secure everlasting life? They've covenanted to do anything the prophet has commanded. They can say all they want that the prophet hasn't commanded anything like murder and that he never would, but if he did, then what? What I was taught at BYU by my Book of Mormon teacher, who had a Phd in theology from Harvard, was that if the prophet commands you to kill somebody then do it and you'll be blessed for it, even if the prophet was wrong. We are taught as Mormons that obedience is the first law of heaven, and to prepare ourselves for that day when the prophet tells us to "get on that plane" so to speak. My Book of Mormon teacher, of course, didn't think such a thing would ever happen but then, Abraham didn't think he'd ever be asked to slay his son, and we're taught repeatedly that we're tested in the refiners fire by "curve ball" commandments that we must comply with entirely on faith because they otherwise make no sense. Abraham was stopped at the last minute, but Nephi followed through with his killing of Laban. You don't know which way it will go down, and must be prepared for either outcome. We are to prepare ourselves to fulfill the commands of our priesthood leaders just like those students who got onto the planes. Mormonism is perhaps held back from achieving its full potential because it's situated in a democracy with a strong secular code of human rights and it is corrupted by capitalistic wealth. But we see abuse cover ups by the same faithful justifications.

The astronauts who went to the moon went to the moon either despite their faith, or their faith was irrelevant to the activity. Recall, it was DCP's own prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith who prophesied that mankind would never reach the moon because that would be the supreme human expression of idolatry. Gemli doesn't even know about that, I'm sure.
Joseph Fielding Smith: modern day prophet wrote:The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen.
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Wyatt: if you need that many words, you’ve already lost the argument.
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Religion builds hospitals. Science builds atomic bombs.
I was a teenager before it was cool.
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Physics Guy wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:42 pm
Religion builds hospitals. Science builds atomic bombs.
not bad. Had someone at SeN came up with that and responded within a couple minutes to Gemli it would have been a good comeback.
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Gadianton wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2023 4:25 pm
Physics Guy wrote:
Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:42 pm
Religion builds hospitals. Science builds atomic bombs.
not bad. Had someone at SeN came up with that and responded within a couple minutes to Gemli it would have been a good comeback.
Agreed. But maybe no one wanted to open the door for the response:
"except for the Mormon Religion, which builds no hospitals..."
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