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In the BYU Honor code same sex romantic behavior is banned. I am told at the University of Utah such sex affection is not banned obviously because of being a government institution.

"Can members of CES campus communities who identify as LGBTQ or have same-sex attraction be disciplined for behavior like going on a date, holding hands or kissing?
Same-sex romantic behavior is not compatible with the principles included in the CES Honor Code. As in years past, each situation will be handled on a case-by-case basis to help each student feel the love of the Savior and to encourage them to live their gospel covenants and university/college commitments."

Does the university expect students to report fellow LGBTQ or SSA students to the Honor Code Office for romantic behavior?
One of the Honor Code principles states: “Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code.” Encourage is not synonymous with “turn someone in.” Encourage is an action that means to give support, confidence or hope to someone. We are all members of the BYU community—thousands of people coming together to develop faith, intellect and character, and we should always reach out in love and support to those around us.

Some people hug spontaneously who are either straight or gay. Does not necessarily mean romantic. I had a Greek friend who told me that in Egypt it was normal for men to walk down the street holding hands and they were probably straight.

If I were a student, I would not report it. So I think I am saying that I would not be a good fit for BYU. In a way I don’t think I ever was a good fit for any of this stuff, including the LDS Church.

By accepting appointment, continuing in employment, being admitted, or continuing enrollment, each member of the campus communities personally commits to observe the CES Honor Code approved by the Board of Trustees:

Maintain an Ecclesiastical Endorsement, including striving to deepen faith and maintain gospel standards
Be honest
Live a chaste and virtuous life, including abstaining from sexual relations outside marriage between a man and a woman. Living a chaste and virtuous life also includes abstaining from same-sex romantic behavior.
Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, vaping, marijuana, and other substance abuse
Participate regularly in Church services
Respect others, including the avoidance of profane and vulgar language
Obey the law and follow campus policies, including the CES Dress and Grooming standards
Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code and Dress and Grooming standards.

https://policy.BYU.edu/view/church-educ ... honor-code

Are non member students etc expected to attend church services regularly and not drink coffee?

I Have Questions wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:42 am

By accepting appointment, continuing in employment, being admitted, or continuing enrollment, each member of the campus communities personally commits to observe the CES Honor Code approved by the Board of Trustees:

Maintain an Ecclesiastical Endorsement, including striving to deepen faith and maintain gospel standards
Be honest
Live a chaste and virtuous life, including abstaining from sexual relations outside marriage between a man and a woman. Living a chaste and virtuous life also includes abstaining from same-sex romantic behavior.
Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, vaping, marijuana, and other substance abuse
Participate regularly in Church services
Respect others, including the avoidance of profane and vulgar language
Obey the law and follow campus policies, including the CES Dress and Grooming standards
Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code and Dress and Grooming standards.

https://policy.BYU.edu/view/church-educ ... honor-code

Are non member students etc expected to attend church services regularly and not drink coffee?

they would probably let them by if they would only pay tithing......

They waited for the protests and uproar to die down, then pulled the rug out again. Administrators told me last year that the working orders were not to take honor code action against any same-sex public displays affection. This is a hard 180. Predictably, the dormant policy never changed from being bigoted.

BYU Provo should have lost its academic accreditation a long time ago. They think their university has a higher standard than others.

How they kept their police department is completely beyond me: having the honor code crazies call BYU P.D. With names of victims that were attacked and run through a state criminal Justice system is just not done. I had to run suspects, not victims at my old job and I didn’t know anyone one who’s name, dob and ssn was input. The L.A Sheriff’s took over Compton P.D in the mid 90s because it was so corrupt. Provo P.D could do the same thing with BYU P.D.

Those were true victims and there are computer fingerprints. After attorney fees each name ran through BYU P.D should after attorney fees collect a million. It could and should run into the billions.

And then I think of my coworker Patti who went to Berkeley and one guy refused to wear clothes to class.

A university spokeswoman acknowledged the investigation but said in a statement that BYU is within its rights to enforce the church’s policies against same-sex relationships and does not anticipate any further action.

“BYU is exempt from application of Title IX rules that conflict with the religious tenets of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” Carri Jenkins said in a statement.

If students (or employees) believe they have been discriminated against, even by a college that has an exemption, they still have options, including filing a complaint to the Dept. of Education. An institution with an exemption can be challenged on the grounds that the exemption does not cover the particular situation or the institution it isn’t actually controlled by a religious organization. Students could also argue that following Title IX would not actually conflict with the religious tenets of the organization. Because the Department’s exemption review process doesn’t include an analysis of whether the religious beliefs are indeed in conflict with Title IX requirements, there may be instances where an exemption is inappropriate.

I would like to see a student sue for being disciplined for same-sex affection which would not be a violation of the religious law of chastity as it is taught to heterosexual Mormons.

For example, it is not a violation of the chastity teachings to hold hands with a different sex partner before marriage. But same sex partners would get an honor code violation. The Mormon church has taught recently as doctrine that the homosexual ban is only about chastity, and is not part of a wider discriminatory practice.

There is good grounds that the title IX exemption is being practiced prejudicially and not in accordance with religious doctrinal teachings.

Since obedience is the first rule of the LDS gospel, the BYU Honors Committee would naturally seek to make the hatreds of the Brethren their own. As long as the Brethren are at war with the LGBTQ community, BYU is obligated to treat them badly.

Dr Moore wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:38 pm

They waited for the protests and uproar to die down, then pulled the rug out again. Administrators told me last year that the working orders were not to take honor code action against any same-sex public displays affection. This is a hard 180. Predictably, the dormant policy never changed from being bigoted.

It’s really sad. I am completely unsurprised, unfortunately, but it is really sad.

yellowstone123 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:56 pm

BYU Provo should have lost its academic accreditation a long time ago. They think their university has a higher standard than others.

How they kept their police department is completely beyond me: having the honor code crazies call BYU P.D. With names of victims that were attacked and run through a state criminal Justice system is just not done. I had to run suspects, not victims at my old job and I didn’t know anyone one who’s name, dob and ssn was input. The L.A Sheriff’s took over Compton P.D in the mid 90s because it was so corrupt. Provo P.D could do the same thing with BYU P.D.

Those were true victims and there are computer fingerprints. After attorney fees each name ran through BYU P.D should after attorney fees collect a million. It could and should run into the billions.

And then I think of my coworker Patti who went to Berkeley and one guy refused to wear clothes to class.

I do not agree with you about BYU’s accreditation, but I do agree with you on the subject of the BYU P.D.