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Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:58 am
by Gadianton
In December of 2022, somewhere deep within North Korea, two connected apartments are ablaze. A mother who had been talking to neighbors is alerted of the fire, and she rushes into her burning apartment and manages to get her two children out. She's later arrested. No, not because she was discovered to have started the fire, but because she should have first saved the photographs of Kim Jong-il and Kim il-Sung that hung high upon the wall of the apartment, as required of all homes in the land.

when I read this story, I immediately thought about the law of tithing. First pay your tithing. It doesn't matter if you can't feed your family, or if you can't pay for a medical crisis for a family member, the Lord's tithe comes first.

Yes, there are scriptures and even talks in church that say the windows of heaven will open and pour out blessings, but the Church has also clarified that these aren't necessarily material blessings, and missionaries are told to not to promise any kind material benefit for the payment of tithing. In fact, DCP has even clarified that it doesn't matter how much money the Church ever makes or how badly off the Saints are, tithing is still a law that must be obeyed.

Oh -- some will say I'm exaggerating. Nobody is under arrest for not paying tithing, it's voluntary. Wrong. Not paying tithing may result in being burned alive at the last day, or being held in spirit prison for years, decades, centuries or longer, to languish in misery after we die. My mother used to say, "we've got to pay our fire insurance." The Lord's hand of judgment doesn't fall immediately, the woman of NK who saved her children wasn't immediately arrested either. I believe it was a few days later, and so also it is with the Lord's punishment -- the Lord just works within a larger bureaucracy where gears turn slower, but also more harshly and they are crushing and unrelenting.

Sure, there seems to be a way out. If you need money for an operation, you can just claim a lesser amount and nobody will question it, it's on your honor, or up to you to decide. Wrong. You could also lie to the DPRK police and you might get away with it. Maybe a neighbor quickly let you borrow his photos to show as proof that you saved them. The difference is, while a longer investigation my yet reveal the truth, you might lie to the DPRK authorities and get away with it. However, you won't get away with cheating on tithing, because at the judgment bar, your understanding of the law will be reviewed, and any manipulations will be revealed. And if you fudged on tithing to buy medicine for your child, you will be punished for it. Oh sure -- maybe your sins will be forgiven. It's possible, but unlikely as tithing is a primary measure of obedience to make one worthy of the atonement, which then covers for other kinds of sins such as stealing a car or killing somebody. In the fire insurance analogy, the insurance won't cover anything if you didn't pay your premium. This is why not paying a FULL tithing is the number one thing that will get your temple recommend yanked. The fact that it wasn't yanked when you paid a half tithing but said "full" just means the punishment will be deferred until the judgment bar when the fraud is revealed.

Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:58 am
by Moksha
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The Church does not value tithing in the exact same way that North Korea values photos of Kim Jong-il and Kim il-Sung.

For instance, the North Koreans never refer to such photos as My Precious.


Each shovel full of gold means some LD Saint is going to the Celestial Kingdom.

Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:58 am
by TapirDangerDan
Quit your job. Problem solved.

Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:06 am
by Gadianton
TapirDangerDan wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:58 am
Quit your job. Problem solved.
Have you ever read the parable of the talents? Not working 996 for the Lord of Hosts is also a sin.

Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:20 am
by TapirDangerDan
Gadianton wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:06 am
TapirDangerDan wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:58 am
Quit your job. Problem solved.
Have you ever read the parable of the talents? Not working 996 for the Lord of Hosts is also a sin.
What are going to do about it?
Bark up a beechnut tree, or Man up?

Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:43 am
by Philo Sofee
TapirDangerDan wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:20 am
Gadianton wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:06 am
Have you ever read the parable of the talents? Not working 996 for the Lord of Hosts is also a sin.
What are going to do about it?
Bark up a beechnut tree, or Man up?
I'm gonna tell the good Lord he made the streets of heaven paved with gold, he didn't need my money, use your own damn wealth. And, why didn't you use your own damn wealth better in our miserable suffering world when it was needlessly suffering and you could have done a whole lot more than all of us combined to get rid of all the suffering for lack of money, which you, and your power, could actually make?

No. I am not going to be judged by God about what I did with my meager amounts of money I made, he is going to be held accountable for being able to make so much gold he could have planets the size of Beetlejuice all over the galaxy with nothing lost for Him, and shared the wealth to alleviate needless deaths from starvation, again with no loss to Himself of any kind. It's God who is on trial, not me. I'm not the immoral, money loving greedy wretch, God is. He COULD have done something about it, in fact, everything about it, and CHOSE NOT TO, for whatever reason. This cannot be a morally good action, causing needless suffering when it’s solveable.

I am not worried about my judgment, I am worried for God's.

Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:10 am
by Everybody Wang Chung
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Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 11:07 am
by yellowstone123
Pay 10% of your gross paycheck for 45 years to the church so they can water the huge lawn at the LA Temple or light up Temple Square. When the bishop ask you if pay a full tithe tell him no, it goes into an IRA and the rest is for a vacation in the South Pacific.

Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:31 pm
by Gadianton
What are going to do about it?
Bark up a beechnut tree, or Man up?
Do you think that North Koreans should also toughen up and let their children die while they save the photographs of their former leaders from fire?

Re: Is this what tithing is?

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:02 am
by TapirDangerDan
Philo Sofee wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:43 am
TapirDangerDan wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:20 am

What are going to do about it?
Bark up a beechnut tree, or Man up?
I'm gonna tell the good Lord he made the streets of heaven paved with gold, he didn't need my money, use your own damn wealth. And, why didn't you use your own damn wealth better in our miserable suffering world when it was needlessly suffering and you could have done a whole lot more than all of us combined to get rid of all the suffering for lack of money, which you, and your power, could actually make?

No. I am not going to be judged by God about what I did with my meager amounts of money I made, he is going to be held accountable for being able to make so much gold he could have planets the size of Beetlejuice all over the galaxy with nothing lost for Him, and shared the wealth to alleviate needless deaths from starvation, again with no loss to Himself of any kind. It's God who is on trial, not me. I'm not the immoral, money loving greedy wretch, God is. He COULD have done something about it, in fact, everything about it, and CHOSE NOT TO, for whatever reason. This cannot be a morally good action, causing needless suffering when it’s solveable.

I am not worried about my judgment, I am worried for God's.
You enjoy bringing up the suffering of others as some strawman to keep from paying tithing, which you’re capable of doing. But what do I know. I’m sure you give a generous donation to the suffering, but maybe not, since you’re glad there’s suffering in the World as an excuse to not pay tithing.

As for God’s gold, I don’t believe the Federal Reserve recognizes His wealth on their financial books nor has provided an international exchange rate for the USD. Since the Church is based in the US, the majority of its transactions will have to be in US Dollars, which you’re capable of paying, not in God’s gold.

And good luck in judging God. Make a video of it on YouTube so everyone can a good laugh. 😁