The Rosebud MEGATHREAD

[Tator]

I know next-to-nothing

157 pages to finally state something close to the truth, "I know nothing" would be closer.

[Marcus]

...I am applying concepts that I know to be true about how organized child sex abuse works inside Mormonism...

You've made some strikingly specific allegations in this post, notwithstanding your repeated use of the word disclaimer. You need to take responsibility for those allegations.

Instead, you persist in defining hypotheticals about cases you admit you have no first hand knowledge about--the time is past for that. You need to name names and give details of the people you KNOW are acting in this way, in this organized crime setting that you say you KNOW exists. If you KNOW it, using the customary definition of the word, you have an obligation to tell the world. Unfortunately, what is strikingly evident in this thread is that what you think you KNOW seldom meets the basic criteria of knowledge, as defined by the rest of the world.

The fact that you continue to imply you have details, facts, names, evidence, but at the same time obfuscate and deflect, and instead hypothesize and imagine about cases you have no connection to and refuse to allege anything about those situations you say you do have connection to, over and over and over, reminds us of nothing more than your years-long campaign of arguing that you had overwhelming evidence implicating Dehlin but refusing for years to ever do more than hint it exists. By the time you finally shared, your credibility had long since dissipated.

People want to believe you, but you have a proven track record of not telling the truth. It's a truly sad situation.

[drumdude]

People want to believe you

After so many years of crying wolf I’m not sure this is the case any longer.

[Marcus]

People want to believe you

After so many years of crying wolf I’m not sure this is the case any longer.

I meant more like people want to believe, in general. But it's true, crying wolf has definitely taken its toll in this case.

[bill4long]

Okay, let's get down to brass tacks...

Who is gonna be the first (heterosexual) man to man up and offer to Rosebud a life where all her past hurts are healed, and that she will have a truly wonderful life moving forward?

Come on, guys. Let's get the bidding going.

[Moksha]

157 pages to finally state something close to the truth, "I know nothing" would be closer.

Had she said, "I know nothing, Jon Dehlin Snow" at least that would have a Game of Thrones tie-in.

[Rosebud]

Interesting, and for the record:

https://youtube.com/shorts/WucMB86TNns? ... GVwfqnkOl-

Another exMormon media person defends Russel M. Nelson when the subject is child sexual abuse and his family’s alleged involvement.

This guy even emphasizes that the lawsuit against Nelson’s daughter, Brenda Miles, was dismissed with prejudice, not giving his audience the full information:

1) That the suit was never tried on its merits

2) That the suit was dismissed only after the Utah Supreme Court overturned the Utah legislature’s extension of the statute of limitations for child sexual abuse in another case: Mitchell v Roberts

It appears to me that it is a better idea for victims of child sexual abuse who actually want justice to NOT file lawsuits against anyone in power in Utah right now because Utah judges are dismissing them with prejudice based on technicalities and then even the exMormon media is working to defend the church.

I’ll keep that in mind. Maybe there will be a political change in Utah in the next couple of decades. Maybe Utah will get out of the 20th century as the public slowly gets their heads out of the sand.

[Rosebud]

Maybe this one will go somewhere:

94 women were initially dismissed, but now they have a renewed right to sue:

https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-front ... wsuit/amp/

Hopefully the next Judge won’t be so prejudiced against the women that they “dismiss with” or according to their “prejudice” without ever allowing the facts of the case to go to trial.

Why shouldn’t Michell and the Does who sued Nelson’s daughter also not have the opportunity to take their cases back to court once the Utah Legislature and the Utah Supreme Court eventually get on the same page?

It’s almost as if a lot of men from Mormonism don’t want women to receive justice. Why not? What is so frightening about allowing women empowerment, a voice and justice?

[Rosebud]

Okay, let's get down to brass tacks...

Who is gonna be the first (heterosexual) man to man up and offer to Rosebud a life where all her past hurts are healed, and that she will have a truly wonderful life moving forward?

Come on, guys. Let's get the bidding going.

You do realize that you’re making my point for me, right?

[Rosebud]

Here’s an interesting link worth adding to this record, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/live/nW5hgJ9Yic ... yqI21BFXAK

I watched it a couple years ago and don’t have the time to rewatch it today to ensure I represent the witnesses’ allegations accurately.

It was published in August of 2022.

But, again, more allegations of sex parties among the top leaders of the church. This time it’s President Hinkley.

As I’m not personally a witness to any of this, I don’t have much to offer besides that it fits the pattern of what I did witness. Except that, as far as I remember from when I watched the above link a couple years ago, there were no allegations that children were also attending the parties.

The only parties I ever attended were as a child.

The coverup has worked really well: publicly label any witness as “crazy,” “histrionic,” or “mentally troubled” and make sure all the believing Mormons, the exMormons, and the anti-Mormons buy that narrative together.