The Rosebud MEGATHREAD

[Kishkumen]

If you look at the youtube channel from which Rosebud took the video, it’s, ah, really something.

Once again, mods, you really ought to consider the complicity in Rosebud’s downward spiral. She’s now transitioning into some pretty delusional territory (if you look at her link’s channel above). I don’t believe she has the ability to self-correct, so now it’s time for some introspection on your part.

- Doc

I agree that this is very troubling. What is the right course of action, here? I can say that this is painful to watch, but my comfort level is not the issue. What is the best thing to do to help Rosebud? Is shutting this down helpful, or is this just making a chronic problem invisible to us while doing nothing to help? I think our resources to do anything to help are frankly negligible, so maybe shutting the blinds is all that can be done. I am just not sure what it accomplishes.

[Rosebud]

For the dated record:

Despite extreme efforts by John Dehlin and whomever his new sidekick Gerardo is, the judge in the State of Washington ruled in Jenn Kamp’s favor today.

Evidently the judge had made up her mind after reading Dehlin and Gerardo’s written filings and did not need to hear any additional oral arguments. The way it was reported to me, the judge simply spoke for around 10 minutes as to why there is no reason for the bankruptcy to be forced into the Utah courts as well as why Washington is an appropriate venue.

What this means:

Dehlin will not be able to force Kamp to declare bankruptcy in the State of Utah where, I assume, Dehlin knows he can count on judges like Faust to, for example, 1) allow him to perjure himself under oath, and 2) fully silence his opposition.

What I want to know is how long it will take RFM to podcast about a Dehlin loss and how he’ll try to spin it?????????

[bill4long]

Nobody is asking this poor deluded woman (in my opinion) if she is having a generally good life, day to day. If she is getting any help with her psychological problems. I've begun to feel sorry for her. It's evidence that is warranted. Help is needed.

[Moksha]

Evidently, the judge had made up her mind after reading Dehlin and Gerardo’s written filings and did not need to hear any additional oral arguments. The way it was reported to me, the judge simply spoke for around 10 minutes as to why there is no reason for the bankruptcy to be forced into the Utah courts as well as why Washington is an appropriate venue.

The Bankruptcy Court's analyst said she was not a resident of Washington. Are you saying the judge made a decision tantamount to malfeasance?

[Kishkumen]

The Bankruptcy Court's analyst said she was not a resident of Washington. Are you saying the judge made a decision tantamount to malfeasance?

So, did Kamp get what she wanted or not? I have a hard time telling what is going on based on Rosebud's report and how it seems to contradict yours.

[Moksha]

The Bankruptcy Court's analyst said she was not a resident of Washington. Are you saying the judge made a decision tantamount to malfeasance?

So, did Kamp get what she wanted or not? I have a hard time telling what is going on based on Rosebud's report and how it seems to contradict yours.

The only way this would make sense is if the judge had something lined up post-court employment with Kirton McConkie. We will need to hear from RFM, but it seems to me that if she did not have the requirements to claim Washington residency this should not happen.

[Rosebud]

You know, by the time I had to declare bankruptcy, the franchisor was smart enough to stay well away from the bankruptcy hearing.

As aggressive and unreasonable as the franchisor was, they had figured out, I assume, that every action they took to make an example of me in order to keep other people in line was going to also be publicized and could therefore potentially harm their own reputation and hurt their own bottom line.

Sure, I had access to more resources than some. I carried some weight on LinkedIn at the time, posting about franchise fraud. I had authored a book, not really to sell it (I’ve never tried to launch it or anything), but to make a record and share that record with people who are more interested than me in exposing the large-scale franchise fraud problem…. making a record, not unlike the way I’m handling the fact that Dehlin has been publicly defaming me for some time by making a competing record here.

I had a website quoting government documents and offering my audience access to all the documentation they wanted. And I had even made it clear that I was not to be trifled with by sending copies of my book to the bar association of the franchisor’s home state along with information that I had reported the franchisor’s crimes (with evidence) to the attorney general of New Hampshire who had then referred that matter on to the prosecuting attorney’s office in the franchisor’s state. (Not that the U.S. government actually has the resources to prosecute much.) The franchisor’s attorneys were involved in helping the franchisor commit and cover up the crimes, so the bar complaint was fitting even if attorneys all protect each other.

[As an aside, I honestly don’t get why people implicitly trust judges when judges are little more than elevated attorneys and only a handful of attorneys are ethical. I suppose that many people prefer to hand off any responsibility they might have to form an informed opinion of their own onto someone who has power. Trusting judges probably makes a lot of people feel comfortable in their naïveté…. “If a powerful respected judge said so then it must be true.” (But you won’t find many black people expressing similar sentiments, especially considering the fact that they’re filling the United States’ privatized prison system in order to make rich white men more money, but now I’ve really digressed.)]

At one point my Oscar-nominated friend was in the beginning of production of an expose of the franchise industry as a whole after I had sent her the story and had her offer me feedback on my book. I wonder what the status of the documentary project is. I should ask my friend.

Oh yeah… and I had even tipped John Oliver off to the large scale scam before he ran a great expose using Subway as an example.

Regardless, the franchisor was smart enough to stay well away from my bankruptcy hearing. The trustee was pretty surprised that they didn’t even attend.

To be completely honest, I am shocked that Dehlin is continuing to make this record by contesting Kamp’s bankruptcy filings. Like the franchisor, he has a reputation he ought to be trying to protect. Trying to force Kamp to file for bankruptcy in Utah only adds to the record of his extreme aggressiveness and adds credibility and weight to her allegations.

And wasn’t one of RFM’s dumb podcasts about Kamp possibly committing perjury regarding how long she had lived in Washington so she could get her bankruptcy there? Of course she wanted to file bankruptcy away from Utah judges.

All while Dehlin committed perjury that was actually material to the subject matter of the case that caused Kamp to be in such a financial predicament that she needs to declare bankruptcy in the first place…. and a Utah judge allowed it.

Sheesh. Of course Kamp doesn’t trust Utah judges. It would make no sense for her to believe that she can get fair rulings in the beehive state. It’s a no brainer that she’d want out of there. What woman wouldn’t after this ridiculous Utah fiasco?

I mean, honestly, how does the Open Stories Foundation expect that continuing in this long-term pattern of attacking former female employees will indefinitely continue to empower them? Is Mormon and exMormon Utah really that blind?

Like with the franchisor, at some point the aggressiveness backfires and it becomes advantageous to stop showing up to the fight…. at least in reasonable jurisdictions and among people who can, at some point at least, be trusted to draw reasonable conclusions about legal aggressions.

[Kishkumen]

Yeah, Dehlin has been the aggressor here.

[drumdude]

Notice how every time something happens she uses it as a springboard to talk about something completely unrelated…

[Moksha]

Sheesh. Of course Kamp doesn’t trust Utah judges. It would make no sense for her to believe that she can get fair rulings in the beehive state. It’s a no brainer that she’d want out of there. What woman wouldn’t after this ridiculous Utah fiasco?

Good point, who would expect the courts to uphold the law!!! Bad Utah not letting Kamp express her feelings in place of evidence and court orders. Still, I want to hear more about Washington State being a haven for a quicky bankruptcy with no residency requirements.