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Kerry Muhlestein's book on Sanctioned Killing in Ancient Egypt:

https://www.amazon.com.au/Violence-Serv ... op?ie=UTF8

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Eloy Rodrigo Colombo
3.0 out of 5 stars Is it possible we build a civilization with no human sacrifice at all?
Reviewed in the United States on 8 January 2021
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For ancient Egyptians everything was understood as having a transcendental part; in this way, they understood the meaning of religion. So, when we read, speak, think, and do an effort for understanding and learning something we are using and manifesting the power of the god Djehuty (or Thoth), the god of words, knowledge, and wisdom.
Therefore, the author is quite right about the meaning of human sacrifice for an ancient Egyptian; through a performed rite or not, killing was always understood as a sacrifice due to the unavoidable transcendental effect of that action.
All my discussion here will be based on my understanding that ancient Egyptians had an impressive consciousness of their responsibility in the cosmos, such responsibility being given to humanity along with some divine powers (such as of life and death) by the gods. So that they thought that even our afterlife is in our hands and then they mummified their corpses for granting the life as individuals in the realm of the dead. Personally, I think that our modern civilization is doing more human sacrifice than them, and I think the reason is that we are not recognizing our modern killings and slaughtering as human sacrifice! People today become horrified knowing the Aztec's sacrifices, but what about our wars, WWI, WWII, Holocaust, the genocides after them in URSS, China, that sacrificed more than one hundred million of people? An ancient Egyptian would gaze at us and I think they would run from us horrified from our lack of awareness of the result and meaning of our actions!

Chapter 2

The most important feature of chapter two is the account of servant sacrifice to attend the deceased king. The scholars say that they made it in the first and second dynasties.
This kind of human sacrifice was made for about two hundred years. The author wrote that Egyptologists would conceive any other possible scenario for the burials of servants other than human sacrifice for not admitting “… their beloved civilized Egyptians would do something so barbaric.”
Is it really that we have been shocked with dozens of servants bound to death (it was made only for the king) when we are conscripting millions of our youth to commit human sacrifice and sacrifice themselves in many stupid wars? Don’t forget that today we have chamberlains who have the duty of eating the food of high authorities before them to prevent them from being poisoned, among other services that use human’s life as a shield for someone else.
Among their servants surely there were slaves, but also free men. Over two hundred years it is guaranteed that the servants would know their fate being a king’s retainer. I would compare this destiny to a soldier being conscious of his future choosing to go to some war freely, are they not proud of their courage?

Chapter 3

This chapter discusses human sacrifice in the Old Kingdom, from the third to sixth dynasties.
What is clear is that ancient Egyptian’s human sacrifice was related to criminal and political spheres of life. So, criminals and political challengers, included foreigners, were prone to be slain by the incumbents.

But the author cites that we cannot imagine that “… the rulers of Old Kingdom were more benevolent and benign than their predecessors” and cites another author who tells “It would be wrong to imagine Old Kingdom Egypt as a gentle land of tolerance and non-violence.” So, the author has clear opinions about how to handle criminals and foreign attackers raiding violent plunders over people. From his perspective, we need to be gentle, tolerant, and never use violence toward violent criminals and plunderers. Even great philosophers, like Jose Ortega y Gasset, tell that we can affirm that civilization is “the effort of use violence as a measure of last resort” and not to avoid and prohibit the use of violence at all; this cannot be achieved, but this discussion is neither the matter here nor in the book. Anyway, I think the author has an idea of how to achieve such an amazing civilization.

The author cites the existence of six mummies of the same family who have broken necks attesting to their execution by the authorities. We have a huge problem with this assumption; why was it assumed they were criminals or rebels, if were they criminals or rebels probably they would be condemned to not have their corpses mummified preventing them from having an afterlife? Even the author mentions that they destroyed the bodies of rebels to ruin the chaos manifestation. Therefore, they probably were rather victims of murder.

Right after that, the author cites a couple of strong pieces of evidence of human sacrifice (called today capital punishment) of foreigners when they were not mummified. He and other scholars he quotes are quite scandalized by this find. I don’t know why this shock, yet for ancient Egyptians, every earthly element had its transcendental part. Again, it doesn’t matter if someone uses or not a rite to kill others, it is human sacrifice anyway.

Now I will discuss one of the worst parts of the book that shows clearly that the author is not prepared to deal with ancient Egyptian civilization and literature.

He uses a pyramid text to draw some evidence that the ancient Egyptians made some sort of cannibalism.
The pyramid texts were written on the walls of noble’s tombs, including the kings’. One of the main features of them is that in those texts the deceased is depicted living in the realm of the dead, it is meant the realm of the gods. So, all the dead are depicted as a god themselves, they are named Orisis N (N is the name of the dead), Osiris is a god.

Although it is not only this but depicting a dead as a god reveals how ancient Egyptians saw the cosmos. They saw the gods as species of gods, so in the same way, we are individuals of the human species the god Osiris is a species with many individuals, who are born, grow, dye, and maybe rebirth. The individuals dye but the species remains.

Our problem with ancient Egyptian texts is that they use a lot of symbolic expressions but common ones that give hard times to Egyptologists, for example, they used the expression fish eater as derogatory, not because they didn’t eat fish, but for conveying the idea of a crocodile’s filthy who lives in the swamps, dirty and fetid. Moreover, in those texts many times it is difficult to understand to whom the subject is referred.

Another feature, crucial to understand that text, is that it is a compilation of prayers to make the deceased to become “an equipped spirit” (an akh) alive through the acquiring the gods’ powers to be a god himself, through the magic power of words (the prayers).

I quote the part of the text the author used below. I put some notes inside a parenthesis.

“It is N who judges with Amun whose name is hidden
On the day of slaughtering the eldest
N is owner of offerings, knotter of ropes
N is maker of offerings for himself (he is regarded having the power of the god Amun, the first one of the universe, the one who divides himself into everything)
N is an eater of men, living on gods
An owner of those who bring tribute, a dispatcher of messengers
It is the grasper of top knots who is as a kettle, lassoing them for N
He who is sacred of brow is he who protects them for him, thwarting them for him
It is he who is the reddening who binds them for him
It is Khonsu (god), cutter of the lords, he slices their throats for N
He removes for him that which is in their bellies
He is the messenger that he sent to restrain
It is Shezmu (god) who slaughters them for him
Cooking for him the things inside them in his cauldron of the evening meal
N is he who eats their magic, a swallower of their akhs (the spirit of the deceased in the afterlife)
Their great ones are his morning meal
Their middle-sized ones for his evening meal
Their little ones for his night meal
Their old men and old women are for his incense burning
It is the great ones of the upper sky who get the fire for him
For the cauldrons containing them, with the forelegs of their eldest ones.”

First, the pyramid text is a behemoth, even that specific part is lengthier than the above the author cites.
Second, the god Shezmu is the slaughter of the gods, not the men as the author assumed.

Third, the author doesn’t know the basics of ancient Egyptian cosmology. They philosophized that the first god of the cosmos, Amun or Atum, divided himself into this infinity of beings and things we have in the universe. In this way, the food chain is like that because everything is made of the divine flesh of the god Amun. Accordingly, when we are eating some being (even vegetables) we are swallowing the Amun’s flesh. So that in all their sacred texts they refer to this thought, for example, they offer the goddess Ma’at as food for them, and they offer the eye of the god Heru (Horus) for their sustenance and beauty.

Telling that the deceased, as a divine being, is an eater of men, can signify many things within ancient Egyptian literature, cosmology, philosophy, and theology.

It can mean not more than referring him to the power of the god Geb (the earth) that swallows every being after their death or other god’s power, for example, the god Seth or the goddess of war and plague Sekhmet. Is it not an infectious disease eating us? Again, remembering how they thought, when they rage a war, they were aware of what they were doing - human sacrifice - and even I think that they were conscious that through the killing of wars we are giving the dead as food to the gods of wars, we are feeding them, nourishing their manifestation on earth. In the same way, when we curb riots, we are nourishing the manifestation of the goddess of order Ma’at.
Another thing the author got wrong is the meaning of the word akh. An akh is the kind of spirit that only beings in the realm of the gods can have! And we read in that same phrase that the dead is eating their magic, the power of magic that belongs to the gods, not human beings.

If it were not enough, read that the text is put in present tense, not past, so he IS an eater of men, not he WAS. He is as a divine being, a god in the realm of the gods.

The rest of the text that the author didn’t quote shows us it’s addressing the gods, using the cosmology cited above, and not accounting for any real happening here on Earth.

The author cites their theology to conclude that the hymn is a report of the existence of some actual rite of cannibalism they performed when alive here. There is a problem with it because the slaughter of criminals and rebels was made to destroy the chaos manifestation, so if they consumed the meat of human criminals and rebels, they would be swallowing the chaos manifestation what would be dangerous as it would be perpetuating his existence through them themselves. If they were killing non-criminals they would be sowing and nourishing the chaos on Earth, which is against their philosophy and mandate of keeping and nourishing the goddess Ma’at.
The author criticizes many Egyptologists for looking at their deeds with a biased eye. But the author didn’t make the effort of true immersion in ancient Egyptian mind and civilization properly, and so he himself is looking at their civilization with biased eyes. I can show you how it easily happens with an example below.

In the Gospel of Mathew 26 we read

“While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, ‘Take and eat; this is my body.’
Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.’”

Throughout millennia Christians are going to the mass and swallowing a piece of bread as a part of the body of Jesus Christ every week! It’s called Holy Communion.

This passage above is called “The last supper.” Why is it not called “The cannibal supper?” Why is “holy communion” not called “holy cannibalism?”

Why do some people become shocked with the pyramid hymn above but not with the Christian sacrifice and cannibalism?

Why are people not horrified with the use of a man writhing in pain on a cross as God’s love for humanity?
Can you see how important it is a proper immersion in the culture, mind, and civilization we are analyzing before any assessment of it? Further, to be able of doing that we need to be conscious of our own culture before.

What this book arouse in my mind is that ancient Egyptians were aware of the true meaning and consequences of killing people: it was human sacrifice, with earthly and transcendental consequences and effects.

When someone throws a waste on the street, he thinks that there is not any consequence from it; an ancient Egyptian would see clearly that he is killing the manifestation of the goddess Ma’at and sowing the chaos forces around him.

I think that today we are using euphemisms to avoid recognizing the human sacrifice our civilization is doing. This is why modern people become horrified looking at other peoples’ deeds but not so when looking at our human sacrifices amounting to hundreds of millions of people, who in many cases were neither rebels nor criminals.

I think that remaining us with this blind on our eyes, our society will continue doing this. An example? The practice of cancellation; someone tells something that distresses the others, and they, common people, call for their stripping from the media, many times separating them from their means of sustenance. It’s not being made by the state, but by commoners. For me, it resembles the cancellation of Jews in Nazi German, isn’t it? And thereof it ended up in the Holocaust a couple of years after.

My last question is, for us all, is it possible we build a civilization with no human sacrifice at all?
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Did you write this?
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No Eloy Rodrigo Colombo https://www.wecolombo.com/
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hauslern wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:24 am
No Eloy Rodrigo Colombo https://www.wecolombo.com/
LOL this guy sounds more coo-coo than the poster “Shulem.”

Why do you think this has any credibility?
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Kara Cooney wrote,
"First dynasty human sacrifice is real, but, interestingly, Egyptologists like Christiane Koehler are now pushing back against the concept. There is also evidence of human sacrifice at Karnak at the beginning of the Middle Kingdom. I’m surprised he didn’t mention it. As for Tell ed Daba, that’s not human sacrifice, just dismembered human hands. No evidence that anyone died….

The human sacrifice angle is an interesting one and a means of proving the “truth” of the Book of Abraham. But it won’t work, as it is based on a misunderstood image from the Book of Breathing."
I asked the question, "Would they sacrifice someone on a lion couch with canopic jars underneath which would not be I imagine used."

Her response: "No they would not." If they were killing and not embalming, why would they need canopic vases underneath?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P1l ... HNVYg/edit
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That Colombo guy's website does look pretty suss. I don't know about Muhlestein.

On Google Scholar Muhlestein has 13 articles in what look to be mainstream Egyptology journals or volumes, out of 41 publications listed in total. I guess that's probably respectable. He kind of seems to have a bee in his bonnet about showing that ancient Egyptians were into human sacrifice. Presumably that's to shore up the Book of Abraham.

My impression is that Egyptology must be a really tough field, because we have a large volume of very sparse evidence, with lots of gaps at which we just have to guess. That kind of evidence situation leaves a lot of room for seeing shapes in the clouds—even for people who really do know a lot about the evidence that is there. A few bits of text or artifact turning up in a dig somewhere could be all the sign we're going to get of something that was basic and pervasive in ancient Egypt, or they could be flukes that would have left most of their contemporaries scratching their heads as much as we do. So you can ignore some bits of evidence as outliers, or build a whole theory upon them, and it will be hard for anyone to call you utterly wrong, either way.

I expect there is still at least a rough consensus of sensible thinking about what we can believe confidently about ancient Egypt, about what we really don't know at all, and about what things in between count as plausible hypotheses. Maybe sometimes an idea can run up the charts quickly, from crazy notion to accepted fact; but that has to be rare.

I'd be surprised if Muhlestein's contentions about ancient Egyptian sacrifice and the Book of Abraham really had much traction in Egyptology. I'd even be somewhat surprised, actually, if Muhlestein himself were trying to make out that his theories were mainstream consensus. I wonder, though, whether he may be trying to make them out as contentious but plausible hypotheses, when in fact they are crazy fringe notions.

Championing a contentious but plausible hypothesis is academically respectable. It ought to satisfy Mormon stakeholders to have a worthy contender in there slugging for them; they probably don't expect their people to convince everyone right away. In a specialised field that lay people can't follow, however, it's not that hard to maintain a pretence, for the lay audience, of being a legitimate academic contender, even if your professional peers actually think you're a loon.

I don't know where Muhlestein really fits on that spectrum.
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Physics Guy wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:14 am
I expect there is still at least a rough consensus of sensible thinking about what we can believe confidently about ancient Egypt, about what we really don't know at all, and about what things in between count as plausible hypotheses. Maybe sometimes an idea can run up the charts quickly, from crazy notion to accepted fact; but that has to be rare.

I'd be surprised if Muhlestein's contentions about ancient Egyptian sacrifice and the Book of Abraham really had much traction in Egyptology. I'd even be somewhat surprised, actually, if Muhlestein himself were trying to make out that his theories were mainstream consensus. I wonder, though, whether he may be trying to make them out as contentious but plausible hypotheses, when in fact they are crazy fringe notions.
Correct. A great deal about Egyptian religious practice is well understood, even though there are many gaping areas of uncertainty.

I would have to read Muhlestein's book itself to assess his arguments, but however strange Colombo may be, a lot of his criticisms look like valid points. For example, past generations of Egyptologists thought the Cannibal Hymn represented a real rite — that it was "the hangover from a wild and primitive African substratum," to quote Christopher Eyre's book about the hymn. But I don't know that any Egyptologists other than Muhlestein believe it today; Eyre's book certainly argues strenuously against it. So Muhlestein is swimming against the tide.

I have to wonder about Muhlestein's standing among his fellow Egyptologists. The editors of the UCLA Encyclopedia of Egyptology, which is an attempt to develop a comprehensive online encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt, had Muhlestein write two articles that are relevant to his interest in human sacrifice, Execration Ritual in 2008 and Violence in 2015. The text of each seems to be entirely within the mainstream. But Egyptology is a small community, given how few permanent positions there are in the field. I once attended a lecture by Kent Weeks, who said "we all know each other". So word of Muhlestein's tendentiousness must get around, especially after Ritner's criticisms of Gee and Muhlestein's arguments during the last years of his life.
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Here is Egyptologist Kara Cooney's thoughts on Kerry's work back in 2019.
“I watched the three videos, and I don’t agree with any of it. The ancient Egyptians had no concept of Abraham, so I don’t know where he gets these comparisons… And No, most Egyptologists do not agree, despite what Kerry says. I know Kerry, but I do not have much respect for his work. Now I have even less. The fact that he is digging in Egypt is even more worrisome… This PhD was awarded before I arrived at UCLA, although I know that Kerry finished his text based dissertation after only two years of Egyptian language training, which is rather laughable.”
Kerry has made the comment that much of his professional criticism comes from the fact that people in his profession don't allow for revelation as a possibile explanation for historical investigations.
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Rivendale wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:48 pm
Here is Egyptologist Kara Cooney's thoughts on Kerry's work back in 2019.
“I watched the three videos, and I don’t agree with any of it. The ancient Egyptians had no concept of Abraham, so I don’t know where he gets these comparisons… And No, most Egyptologists do not agree, despite what Kerry says. I know Kerry, but I do not have much respect for his work. Now I have even less. The fact that he is digging in Egypt is even more worrisome… This PhD was awarded before I arrived at UCLA, although I know that Kerry finished his text based dissertation after only two years of Egyptian language training, which is rather laughable.”
Kerry has made the comment that much of his professional criticism comes from the fact that people in his profession don't allow for revelation as a possibile explanation for historical investigations.
Since there is no actual evidentiary way to verify any kind of revelation, from any kind of supernatural being in the universe, I side entire with those who say that basis is questionable at best. I mean, take the Holy Ghost for instance. Mormons say it has told them Joseph Smith is a true prophet. William Lane Craig, an Evangelical Christian, has said it has told him Joseph Smith is a false prophet. How to decide who is telling the truth and who delusional? The only actual option open to us, look at the evidence, not the revelation from the Holy Ghost. That settled nothing and solves nothing.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:19 pm
Rivendale wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:48 pm
Kerry has made the comment that much of his professional criticism comes from the fact that people in his profession don't allow for revelation as a possibile explanation for historical investigations.
Since there is no actual evidentiary way to verify any kind of revelation, from any kind of supernatural being in the universe, I side entire with those who say that basis is questionable at best. I mean, take the Holy Ghost for instance. Mormons say it has told them Joseph Smith is a true prophet. William Lane Craig, an Evangelical Christian, has said it has told him Joseph Smith is a false prophet. How to decide who is telling the truth and who delusional? The only actual option open to us, look at the evidence, not the revelation from the Holy Ghost. That settled nothing and solves nothing.
Maybe we should have everyone read John Loftus's book An Outsiders Test for faith? My guess is that among the thousands of religions, some giving contradictory claims they all can't be right but they could all be wrong. Or maybe Holland is right. Sometimes the Holy Ghost gives wrong information so we can get to the right information faster?
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