Lamanites Return Church's $2 Million Gift

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It looks like the Church has a trust problem with many Native Americans. Maybe they haven't forgot all the Native American massacres Brigham Young ordered, or that the Mormons tried to blame the Native Americans for the Mountain Meadow Massacre? Or maybe it's the racist teachings about the Native Americans contained in the Book of Mormon? Or maybe it's just the recent financial fraud relating to the SEC action?

Whatever the case, the SLTRIB is reporting that the First Americans Museum in Oklahoma City just returned a 2 million dollar donation from the Church.
Locals wondered “if they could trust the LDS Church, where the money was coming from,” King said. “Were there strings attached?”

Some worried the center might be staffed by Latter-day Saint missionaries, possibly proselytizing to patrons. Others were concerned that their deceased ancestors would be baptized vicariously. (Latter-day Saints research the names of departed ancestors, and living volunteers then perform baptisms on behalf of these souls in the faith’s temples.)

It “takes work to earn Native Americans’ trust,” King said, “especially on sensitive issues.”
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/12 ... -american/
Thanks, but no thanks: Native American museum returns LDS Church’s $2 million gift

By Peggy Fletcher Stack
| Dec. 16, 2023, 6:00 a.m.
| Updated: 3:37 p.m.

In a much publicized move, Latter-day Saint leaders announced a $2 million donation to the First Americans Museum in Oklahoma City.

Several Native American Latter-day Saints participated in the 2021 event, the Church News reported, along with Oklahoma City Mayor David Holt, City Councilwoman Nikki Nice and other civic and tribal leaders.

“Native Americans have been moved around so much from different places that a lot of our families have lost contact with each other,” museum director James Pepper Henry said in a church news release. “Having a center here is a way for us to connect our families together again.”

President Russell M. Nelson of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints even mentioned the contribution during a devotional broadcast.

“The gift from the church will strengthen Native American and other families by creating within the museum a FamilySearch center,” the Church News reported him as saying. “This center will make it possible for visitors to the museum to receive help in preserving personal histories, searching for ancestors and building their own family trees.”

It would reflect the church’s commitment to seeking ancestors, Nelson said, and “our deep gratitude for those who have come here from many different countries and traditions.”

Henry said at the time that he hoped to have the center up and running by summer 2022. Within weeks of the announcement, however, the museum returned the gift.

“The agreement between the First Americans Museum and [the church] related to a grant in the amount of $2 million for the creation of a Family History Resource Center will be discontinued,” Perry wrote on the museum website. “FAM will return the grant funds and will suspend plans to develop the center until further notice. We thank the church for their understanding and generosity.”

Kennedy Sepulvado, the institution’s communication specialist, said Tuesday that “the project didn’t align with the museum mission at the time.”

The Utah-based faith removed its news release about the Native American donation from its website, while making no public statement about the rejection.

Two years later, “the church continues to maintain a dialogue with [the museum],” spokesperson Kelly Smoot said Wednesday, “and to support [its] mission.”

The episode was a “mess of misunderstanding,” explained Farina King, a Latter-day Saint and associate professor of Native American studies at the University of Oklahoma.

Family history “is big in Indian Country,” King said, but establishing a center at the museum “would need to be done in the right way so everyone will benefit.”

A FamilySearch center, she said, “was supposed to be a celebration of coming together, where everyone cares about families.” But there was not enough discussion between the parties, King said, before the announcement of the contribution.

Locals wondered “if they could trust the LDS Church, where the money was coming from,” King said. “Were there strings attached?”

Some worried the center might be staffed by Latter-day Saint missionaries, possibly proselytizing to patrons. Others were concerned that their deceased ancestors would be baptized vicariously. (Latter-day Saints research the names of departed ancestors, and living volunteers then perform baptisms on behalf of these souls in the faith’s temples.)

It “takes work to earn Native Americans’ trust,” King said, “especially on sensitive issues.”

Failure to build the FamilySearch center “is too bad,” said Randy Gibson, a Latter-day Saint and a Cherokee who was in Oklahoma at the time.

Native Americans “have such strong oral histories,” said Gibson, now a communications specialist in Provo. “It would have been a good way to share them with the world.”

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I wonder if the Mormon leadership will ever get enough inspiration to realize how greedy and lunatic it acts in all it's own vaunted self-righteousness.... even their own "prophesied" people from its supposed holy history book is rejecting it. :lol:
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It’s a bit like a Holocaust denial group donating to a Holocaust museum.

The church actively believes that the history of the native Americans is different than their actual history. Good for native Americans standing up to that.

Maybe when the church makes a definitive authoritative statement that the Book of Mormon is fiction, they can accept the gift.
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The museum probably knows the fraudulent foundations the 'church' was founded upon, the con-man Joe Smith was and how it's nothing but a multi hundred billion dollar corporation rather than a true religion and thus consider any donated monies 'filthy lucre'. :lol: In addition to that demographic not being dumb enough to get duped again by the 'church'. Hat tip to them!
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I did a module on American history at uni, I was shocked. What I took from it was that basically America was invaded and stolen from native Americans who were pushed out and something about a railway line. It's kind of sad. Sorry if that's offensive. I'm sure I have ancestors of a similar nature. History just seems to be full of wars and land stealing. Even throughout scripture. It's all wars... We had a lesson about Jonah and the wale at a Methodist church not long ago. I hadn't realised that Jonah was basically going to scout land. Like, would god really make such a request?
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I am not surprised that the “gift” was turned down. I also agree that the LDS position on the origin of the indigenous peoples of the Americas is not the kind of narrative I imagine most of them embracing in our day and age. Indeed, they often and quite justifiably find it offensive.
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Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:20 am
I did a module on American history at uni, I was shocked. What I took from it was that basically America was invaded and stolen from native Americans who were pushed out and something about a railway line. It's kind of sad. Sorry if that's offensive. I'm sure I have ancestors of a similar nature. History just seems to be full of wars and land stealing. Even throughout scripture. It's all wars... We had a lesson about Jonah and the wale at a Methodist church not long ago. I hadn't realised that Jonah was basically going to scout land. Like, would god really make such a request?
Imwashingmypirate,

Oversimplifying history is one thing but to extend that into a completely wrong backward reading of Jonah is a surprise. Well unless you mean Jonah invaded the whale. But the whale expelled that invader.

Nineveh was large and powerful and a threat to Israel. Not even remotely the other way around.
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huckelberry wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2024 5:50 pm
Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:20 am
I did a module on American history at uni, I was shocked. What I took from it was that basically America was invaded and stolen from native Americans who were pushed out and something about a railway line. It's kind of sad. Sorry if that's offensive. I'm sure I have ancestors of a similar nature. History just seems to be full of wars and land stealing. Even throughout scripture. It's all wars... We had a lesson about Jonah and the wale at a Methodist church not long ago. I hadn't realised that Jonah was basically going to scout land. Like, would god really make such a request?
Imwashingmypirate,

Oversimplifying history is one thing but to extend that into a completely wrong backward reading of Jonah is a surprise. Well unless you mean Jonah invaded the whale. But the whale expelled that invader.

Nineveh was large and powerful and a threat to Israel. Not even remotely the other way around.
Apologies. I will go read about it. It was taught to us as god had told several people to go scout land and Jonah refused so he was eaten by a whale.
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Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:03 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2024 5:50 pm
Imwashingmypirate,

Oversimplifying history is one thing but to extend that into a completely wrong backward reading of Jonah is a surprise. Well unless you mean Jonah invaded the whale. But the whale expelled that invader.

Nineveh was large and powerful and a threat to Israel. Not even remotely the other way around.
Apologies. I will go read about it. It was taught to us as god had told several people to go scout land and Jonah refused so he was eaten by a whale.
Imwashingmypirate, perhaps somebody was making a lesson comparison to modern missionary projects where somebody might call the plans an invasion of the Gospel. Well Jonah was supposed to do something a bit like that. Nineveh was invaded by a message in the story.

There is a group scouting an area to invade in a physical military sense in a story in Numbers many centuries earlier.
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huckelberry wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:47 pm
Imwashingmypirate wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:03 pm
Apologies. I will go read about it. It was taught to us as god had told several people to go scout land and Jonah refused so he was eaten by a whale.
Imwashingmypirate, perhaps somebody was making a lesson comparison to modern missionary projects where somebody might call the plans an invasion of the Gospel. Well Jonah was supposed to do something a bit like that. Nineveh was invaded by a message in the story.

There is a group scouting an area to invade in a physical military sense in a story in Numbers many centuries earlier.
Lol, you'd think I never went to seminary :lol: sorry for the blunder. Thanks for explaining. I was mildly horrified when I heard the story so that's a relief.

Edit: correction, it was a video where people were told to go to different places. It makes sense to think of it as going to take a message. I'll see if I can add the video... (Clearly I thought of one sentence and my brain created a big ass theory).

Edit... Watched the video that I was thinking of and it said right at the start that he was to take a message and nothing about scouting so I think I've mixed up stories and now I'm confused. Doesn't help that we've visited 3 different churches multiple times in the last month. It's going to bother me. Oh well.
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