"Very saucy and insolent towards his father"

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"Very saucy and insolent towards his father"

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Emma Smith's father, Isaac Hale, who disliked his son-in-law, Joseph Smith, signed an affidavit dated March 20, 1834 (published in Susquehanna Register, and Northern Pennsylvanian 9 (1 May 1834):1, Montrose, Pennsylvania)
I first became acquainted with Joseph Smith, Jr. in November, 1825. He was at that time in the employ of a set of men who were called "money-diggers;" and his occupation was that of seeing, or pretending to see by means of a stone placed in his hat, and his hat closed over his face. In this way he pretended to discover minerals and hidden treasure. His appearance at this time, was that of a careless young man - not very well educated, and very saucy and insolent to his father.

Smith, and his father, with several other 'money-diggers' boarded at my house while they were employed in digging for a mine that they supposed had been opened and worked by the Spaniards, many years since. Young Smith gave the 'money-diggers' great encouragement, at first, but when they had arrived in digging, to near the place where he had stated an immense treasure would be found - he said the enchantment was so powerful that he could not see. They then became discour[a]ged, and soon after dispersed. This took place about the 17th of November, 1825; and one of the company gave me his note for $12[.]68 for his board, which is still unpaid.
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After Joseph Smith had married Emma Hale on Jan 17, 1827,
Smith stated to me, that he had given up what he called "glass-looking," and that he expected to work hard for a living, and was willing to do so.
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Sounds like a disappointed father.
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Man... between the essays, CES letter, MormonThink, historically accurate books written on Smith & the truth about the 'church' and now the Joseph Smith Papers Project, wow... what we never learned in Sunday school! :lol: :x
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BeNotDeceived wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:18 pm
Man... between the essays, CES letter, MormonThink, historically accurate books written on Smith & the truth about the 'church' and now the Joseph Smith Papers Project, wow... what we never learned in Sunday school! :lol: :x
I’m just glad it’s all so faith promoting and doesn’t contradict what the Church has taught.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:41 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:18 pm
Man... between the essays, CES letter, MormonThink, historically accurate books written on Smith & the truth about the 'church' and now the Joseph Smith Papers Project, wow... what we never learned in Sunday school! :lol: :x
I’m just glad it’s all so faith promoting and doesn’t contradict what the Church has taught.
:lol:
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I feel like an opportunity has been missed to title an article "The Saucy Prophet."

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From what I read, Joseph Smith Jr wanted to marry Emma and her father did not want it to happen because of his treasure digging history. Joseph said he was going to stop treasure digging and also that he would wait until Issac Hale returned and then marry Emma. Isaac Hale left on his trip, and the very next day Joseph Smith Jr. married Emma which included some property: a cow and some furniture and Joseph Smith Jr took Emma and her cow and furniture up north by horse and wagon.

The so-called Latter-day Prophet did exactly the opposite of what he said he was going to do. He broke his word. Those who call Joseph Smith Jr. a pathological liar can start with this episode and end it when he exchanged shots with an angry mob and was killed. He was not a martyr as martyrs don't die with weapons in their hand.
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