Vogel Reviews Lars Nielsen's New Book

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Vogel Reviews Lars Nielsen's New Book

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Today, Wednesday, July 31, 2024, 4 pm Eastern Standard Time, I’m premiering my review Lars Nielsen’s new book “How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass.” I’ve been working hard to bring quality scholarly content. Recently (July 19/26), I appeared on two episodes of “Mormonism Live” discussing the Book of Mormon witnesses (#185/#186). Thank you all for your support and contributions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWkjGZ8R1gg
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I hope to see some of you there.
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dan vogel wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:38 pm
I hope to see some of you there.
I would LOVE to have you on my show to talk about it!
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Perhaps, yes, after I post part 2 in a few weeks.
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Great review. Looking forward to part 2.

It's good to see someone with scholarly credibility calling out Nielsen for his terrible arguments, abuse of sources, and for preying on low information ex-Mormons. Just in the past week I saw someone post on Reddit: "The best authorship theory I have read is 'How the Book of Mormon came to pass'. It is a new theory, it doesn't currently have an apologetic response, but it changes the discussion significantly. I highly encourage everyone to read that book."

It's probably selling well, but it's a grift, a parody of scholarship. This link sums it up: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... mation.pdf
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There was a lengthy discussion of this book here a few months back. Mr Vogel seems to agree with the main line of reaction here.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=158641&hilit=Lars+Nielsen


There is some reassurance in seeing his more expert view agree.
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I just watched this video review. Outstanding as always, Dan! I look forward to part 2.
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I went with Mormonish to Lars Nielsen's presentation of this at Sunstone this morning. I got the gist, and he seems to want it to appear as a work in progress where everyone in the community can join with him to enlarge and strengthen his ideas on this.
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Dan,

Thank you for this video. I've watched it twice now, carefully, and look forward to part 2.

The Plain Dealer article from 1887 was indeed horribly garbled, and next to useless. And the various claimed Kircher-isms you rightly question would have been extremely far to go for Joseph Smith to glean elements that were much more Book-of-Mormonish and readily available in his own immediate world, time, and cultural/education level.

Nicely done,

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Philo Sofee wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:14 am
I went with Mormonish to Lars Nielsen's presentation of this at Sunstone this morning. I got the gist, and he seems to want it to appear as a work in progress where everyone in the community can join with him to enlarge and strengthen his ideas on this.
:lol:

We could also participate in the QAnon community.
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