Transgender women must attend Priesthood, not Relief Society - new policy

[sock puppet]

On the other hand, in the same update the handbook now states a policy that seems to back way off on strict garment wearing:

Some medical conditions or medical devices may make it difficult for members to wear one or both parts of the garment. Members should seek the guidance of the Spirit in such situations. In some cases, it may be best to lay the garment aside temporarily and wear it again when conditions allow.

When a member cannot wear the garment because of a medical condition or device, his or her religious status is not affected. The Lord focuses on the heart and a willing mind (see Doctrine and Covenants 64:34). As long as the member remains worthy, he or she will receive the blessings associated with wearing the garment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... ing_their/

[bolding added because I find the language used to be hilarious. Inadvertently so, I'm sure. Like Tommy Lee Jones' line from MIB: "no ma'am we at the FBI do not have a sense of humor we're aware of" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL4DXIl_jlU ]

This policy would impact most adults and seems far more lenient than the policy I grew up with, in my opinion giving credence to the idea that the number of affected influences policy changes and descriptions.

I think the LDS leaders miscalculate the number of affected, though, because many Mormons beyond those who are transgender care about and are influenced by their church's position on this issue.

Isn't it good to be reassured that Mormon God's omniscience means he can focus "on the heart and a willing mind" for those who have a medical condition or device making it difficult/impossible to wear the garment? Maybe someday he will be able to do that with all.

[IWMP]

If transgender women can attend priesthood, can they also have the priesthood?

[Chap]

If transgender women can attend priesthood, can they also have the priesthood?

Well, so far as I understand the meaning of the term, a transgender woman is someone who:

(a) Was (in 99% of cases - yup, I know about the existence of other cases) identified as a male baby when born - i.e. possessed male genitals, had an X and a Y chromosome).

(b) Later felt that the gender identity that suited them was that of "woman".

I have no problem at all with dealing with such a person, since I make the distinction between biological sex, which is a physical thing, and gender which is socially defined. So it's basically fine with me if you were born male (sex) and want to be a woman (gender). Of course there will be some issues that are not simple to deal with - what if biologically female people don't want to share changing room space with a person who has male genitals, and so on. But the broad principle of recognition is clear.

The CoJCoLDS however does not make the sex/gender distinction. People are men or women as created by their deity, so for them so-called "transgender women" are just men dressed up in skirts, and they should attend priesthood. Assuming they have been ordained as priests, they stay priests as well as staying men, even if they wear skirts.

[2bizE]

Are transgender women also supposed to attend the Men’s priesthood sessions of general conference and a stake conference?
Suppose many, many men dress like women, could some of the actual women sneak into the conference? Or will the church conduct a genitalia check at the door?

[Doctor Steuss]

Wear a wraparound pleated skirt to church, call it a kilt, and use he/him pronouns: No problem, go ahead and pass the sacrament, teach a class, hold callings, etc.

Wear a wraparound pleated skirt to church, call it a skirt, and use she/her pronouns: Sin so bad that I cannot even work with children.

[bill4long]

If we cast aside the words "man" and "woman" and referred to individuals as penis-holders and vagina-holders, wouldn't this simplify the situation?

I understand that there some very rare gray areas, but thinking in terms of "innies" and "outies" would probably solve 99.99999999% or issues orbiting the issue.

[drumdude]

Are transgender women also supposed to attend the Men’s priesthood sessions of general conference and a stake conference?
Suppose many, many men dress like women, could some of the actual women sneak into the conference? Or will the church conduct a genitalia check at the door?

The garment check isn’t invasive enough. We need bishops feeling up the members.

[Moksha]

The new policy does not allow transgender individuals to hold any offices in the Church or conduct any duties.

Transgenders cannot even use the bathrooms in the Church and must leave the building to relieve themselves. Imagine telling any group of people they cannot use the bathroom in your church. Why would anyone wish to belong to a church like that?

The totality of this new policy against transgender members would suggest the Church has taken a wide step away from the teachings of Jesus and wishes to separate itself from all people with love in their hearts toward others. It seems that hatred has been allowed to fester for too long and now the Church has become infected.

[sock puppet]

The new policy does not allow transgender individuals to hold any offices in the Church or conduct any duties.

Transgenders cannot even use the bathrooms in the Church and must leave the building to relieve themselves. Imagine telling any group of people they cannot use the bathroom in your church. Why would anyone wish to belong to a church like that?

The totality of this new policy against transgender members would suggest the Church has taken a wide step away from the teachings of Jesus and wishes to separate itself from all people with love in their hearts toward others. It seems that hatred has been allowed to fester for too long and now the Church has become infected.

I wonder how many LDS priesthood holders will don dresses when going to church so that they can avoid callings and cannot go into the bathrooms--and so cannot be assigned meeting house clean-up duty.

[High Spy]

The new policy does not allow transgender individuals to hold any offices in the Church or conduct any duties.

Transgenders cannot even use the bathrooms in the Church and must leave the building to relieve themselves. Imagine telling any group of people they cannot use the bathroom in your church. Why would anyone wish to belong to a church like that?

The totality of this new policy against transgender members would suggest the Church has taken a wide step away from the teachings of Jesus and wishes to separate itself from all people with love in their hearts toward others. It seems that hatred has been allowed to fester for too long and now the Church has become infected.

Trans type people only need wear a robust undergarment.