Transgender women must attend Priesthood, not Relief Society - new policy

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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:34 pm
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I was speaking within the context of the LDS church’s ban on black people. If there was a ban on Pakistanis and not Indians, yes that would be as problematic as the ban became in Brazil.
In that context, the ban was on people of Black African descent, not simply black people. I actually don’t think Bishops got good guidance on how to manage the ban and identify people correctly, so they took your easy route of black skin = banned.
A quick browse of the wikipedia entry for Black people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

Almost all considered to be "black" are of relatively recent African ancestry. Of course we are all descendants of Africa on a long enough time-scale.

The main exceptions seem to be mixed-race people, such as in Brazil, and islander/Aboriginal peoples. I doubt there were enough Aboriginal people applying for temple recommends to constitute a significant problem.
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drumdude wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:46 pm
Gender is more personal and hidden.
Penis holders "feeling" like they are like vagina holders (whatever the hell that means, how could they know what a vagina-holder feels like?) is mental illness. And practically speaking, they are trans-vestites and most often mentally ill in other ways as well. Need to deal with the problem head on.

Most vagina holders don't want penis holders in their safe spaces, such as rest rooms and dressing rooms. Esp when minors are involved. This is a vagina holder rights issue.
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bill4long wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 3:04 am
drumdude wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2024 11:46 pm
Gender is more personal and hidden.
Penis holders "feeling" like they are like vagina holders (whatever the hell that means, how could they know what a vagina-holder feels like?) is mental illness. And practically speaking, they are trans-vestites and most often mentally ill in other ways as well. Need to deal with the problem head on.

Most vagina holders don't want penis holders in their safe spaces, such as rest rooms and dressing rooms. Esp when minors are involved. This is a vagina holder rights issue.
There are plenty of public spaces where bathrooms are not gendered, for example if you’ve ever taken a plane flight. Bathrooms are not an issue.

The church has enough money to convert the restrooms 100 times over with change leftover if they’re so concerned.
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bill4long wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 3:04 am
Penis holders "feeling" like they are like vagina holders (whatever the hell that means, how could they know what a vagina-holder feels like?) is mental illness. And practically speaking, they are trans-vestites and most often mentally ill in other ways as well. Need to deal with the problem head on.

Most vagina holders don't want penis holders in their safe spaces, such as rest rooms and dressing rooms. Esp when minors are involved. This is a vagina holder rights issue.
You express the LDS point of view as eloquently as the First Presidency or the Interpreter Foundation.

As they say, "Gotta hate on those LGBTQ infidels!"
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Moksha wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:37 am
bill4long wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 3:04 am
Penis holders "feeling" like they are like vagina holders (whatever the hell that means, how could they know what a vagina-holder feels like?) is mental illness. And practically speaking, they are trans-vestites and most often mentally ill in other ways as well. Need to deal with the problem head on.

Most vagina holders don't want penis holders in their safe spaces, such as rest rooms and dressing rooms. Esp when minors are involved. This is a vagina holder rights issue.
You express the LDS point of view as eloquently as the First Presidency or the Interpreter Foundation.

As they say, "Gotta hate on those LGBTQ infidels!"
You're a weirdo. Blocked.
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bill4long wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:52 am
You're a weirdo. Blocked.
Wait a minute... Binger in disguise is calling me a weirdo? He might be right.
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Moksha wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 10:06 am
bill4long wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:52 am
You're a weirdo. Blocked.
Wait a minute... Binger in disguise is calling me a weirdo? He might be right.
My, oh my! I have been called much more creative things than "weirdo".
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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:12 pm
Individuals are instructed to attend gender-specific meetings and activities that align with their assigned sex at birth.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-l ... r-AA1p4iZ5
Individuals who have transitioned in any way — whether surgically, medically or socially — cannot work with children, serve as teachers in their congregation or fill any gender-specific assignments
Wards, and ward members, have gone to great lengths to outreach and include transgender members and investigators. These policy updates basically put two fingers up to all those efforts. Saying people who have transitioned in any way cannot work with children is tantamount to accusing them of being of harm to kids.

It’s yet another step backwards to 1950 and it completely undermines the hard and loving work done by the members.
I fully agree with this decision. There should be no room for trannys in any church. Of COURSE they should be kept away from the children. Those freaks of nature are absolutely a danger to kids everywhere. No outreach should be done. Everything possible should be done to keep them out of church buildings.
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adamjohnson wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:52 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:12 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-l ... r-AA1p4iZ5


Wards, and ward members, have gone to great lengths to outreach and include transgender members and investigators. These policy updates basically put two fingers up to all those efforts. Saying people who have transitioned in any way cannot work with children is tantamount to accusing them of being of harm to kids.

It’s yet another step backwards to 1950 and it completely undermines the hard and loving work done by the members.
I fully agree with this decision. There should be no room for trannys in any church. Of COURSE they should be kept away from the children. Those freaks of nature are absolutely a danger to kids everywhere. No outreach should be done. Everything possible should be done to keep them out of church buildings.
Your little trolling expedition is coming to a very nasty end.
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drumdude wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 11:56 pm
adamjohnson wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:52 pm


I fully agree with this decision. There should be no room for trannys in any church. Of COURSE they should be kept away from the children. Those freaks of nature are absolutely a danger to kids everywhere. No outreach should be done. Everything possible should be done to keep them out of church buildings.
Your little trolling expedition is coming to a very nasty end.
No trolling here. I hate trannys, as we all should. If that's trolling, then I guess you folks can't handle dissenting opinions!
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