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When GoogleBooks scans the Fraud promoted by F.A.R.M.S.

Attention:
  • Dr. John L. Sorenson - [deceased]
  • John "Jack" Welch (70+ old dude started F.A.R.M.S.)
  • Dr. Dan C. Peterson (retired BYU Prof)
  • Brant Gardner ("We need more Mesoamerica in The Book of Mormon")
  • Kirk Magleby (Utah County resident)
And their Junior Apologists hired at Book of Mormon Central, ScripturePlus, ScriptureCentral, to deceive the next generation of TikTok and Instagram addicts...

https://scripturecentral.org/team SciptureCentral Team

https://scripturecentral.org/about
Our History

John W. Welch and Lynne Hilton Wilson co-founded Book of Mormon Central. It launched in 2016, primarily writing KnoWhy articles to help explain passages of the Book of Mormon. We also started a free online library of Book of Mormon scholarship, called the Archive. We sought to continue the vision of F.A.R.M.S. (which was also founded by John W. Welch) by publishing accessible research on the Book of Mormon.

Over the years we have expanded our audience through YouTube videos, podcasts, and mobile apps. In 2023, we rebranded to Scripture Central, indicating that our research and mission includes all the Standard Works of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
Brother John Welch
Lost the Hill Cumorah in Central America and hasn't yet located it and wants to tell everyone on the World Wide Web how you can also be a loser (of the Hill Cumorah)


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His Employees and the up and coming generation of Junior Apologists - who also lost the Hill Cumorah in Central America
Oh Where oh Where is the Hill Cumorah?

The Tyler and Taylor show!! "We Lost The Hill Cumorah! It's somewhere in Central America!"

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Jasmin enjoys influencing her social media addicts, that she lost the Hill Cumorah and Nephites are Maya.

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Congratulations, UTAH County LDS members, for injecting a false Two Cumorahs Mesoamerican Geography Theory into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Don't forget to register for their Grift: https://scripturecentral.org/event/moroni-day-2024 MORONI DAY 2024! They dance around on stage begging for tax-free donations to their Tax-Free 501(c)(3). Nothing says Mormon Marketing like Utah County Apologists.

Books scanned by GoogleBooks at these Libraries:
  • Library of Congress
  • Princeton University
  • University of Wisconsin at Madison
and the Harold B. Lee Library *and* In The Church Catalog:

https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org ... s?lang=eng

Each book has the original Mesoamerican map comparing The Book of Mormon to the Maya Civilization.
These books are over 100 years old, yet our goofy LDS Apologists are still promoting them. These books are common knowledge among RLDS or Community of Christ and Restoration Branch members.

Each of the three books, has a map, plus the earlier 1917 copyrighted map (not published in a book).

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RLDS Organizations in Independence, Missouri - promoting a lost Hill Cumorah - after Reorganizing the geography of The Book of Mormon

See the https://hillcumorahexpeditionteam.com/ Hill Cumorah Expedition Team - searching for the Lost Hill Cumorah in Mexico
See the https://bomf.org/category/quetzalcodex/ publications at The Book of Mormon Foundation in Independence, Missouri

The LDS Geography Reorganites with current Temple Recommends - with a two-year supply of Hills of Cumorah

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Remember, make a fool of yourself on the World Wide Web on how you lost The Hill Cumorah in Central America and haven't yet located it.
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I'm a fan of the three Hills Cumorah. The more Cuh-more-a, the better in my book!

Multiple hills just means the Book of Mormon is doubly true.

I got a big laugh out of this post, thank you for your continued efforts pointing out the absurdity of Dan Peterson and his friends.
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L. E. Hills, I was puzzled as to how to read or add up your post. Perhaps drumdude is exactly correct. I found myself wondering if you are a heartland proponent. Perhaps you would enjoy Shulem's discussions of Book of Mormon locations. It is not exactly heartland version but it is closer to hill Cumorah.
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huckelberry wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:32 pm
L. E. Hills, I was puzzled as to how to read or add up your post. Perhaps drumdude is exactly correct. I found myself wondering if you are a heartland proponent. Perhaps you would enjoy Shulem's discussions of Book of Mormon locations. It is not exactly heartland version but it is closer to hill Cumorah.
He is a heartland proponent. DCP enjoys pointing out that we make interesting bedfellows. But I personally think we can both laugh at the absurdity of the two hill Cumorah mess even if we don’t agree on the wider truth claims of Mormonism.
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drumdude wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:19 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:32 pm
L. E. Hills, I was puzzled as to how to read or add up your post. Perhaps drumdude is exactly correct. I found myself wondering if you are a heartland proponent. Perhaps you would enjoy Shulem's discussions of Book of Mormon locations. It is not exactly heartland version but it is closer to hill Cumorah.
He is a heartland proponent. DCP enjoys pointing out that we make interesting bedfellows. But I personally think we can both laugh at the absurdity of the two hill Cumorah mess even if we don’t agree on the wider truth claims of Mormonism.
Correct. :) I'm a proponent of what Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery shared in Cowdery's 8 Letters. DCP is a proponent of Three Books published from 1918-1924 by a member of The RLDS Church - which books and ideas were rejected by the RLDS Church Leadership in 1923.
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huckelberry wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:32 pm
L. E. Hills, I was puzzled as to how to read or add up your post. Perhaps drumdude is exactly correct. I found myself wondering if you are a heartland proponent. Perhaps you would enjoy Shulem's discussions of Book of Mormon locations. It is not exactly heartland version but it is closer to hill Cumorah.
Huckelberry, do you know why that third book is called, "New Light on American Archaeology?"

Do you know the history of The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and its attempts to promote Book of Mormon Archaeology as far back as the 1890s?

Did you know that The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, published official Book of Mormon geography maps in the 1900s?
Did you know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, never published official Book of Mormon maps? But only confirm what Oliver Cowdery stated as to the location of The Hill Cumorah in New York?

Did you know this Hemispheric Wall map was (published and) created by the RLDS Church, by its Committee on American Archaeology and used for Book of Mormon lectures to students?

Do you understand now why the third book published in 1924 was called, "New Light on American Archaeology?"
It was a response to the hemispheric model of the RLDS Church. A theory limited to Tehuantepec. A Hill Cumorah limited to Tehuantepec.

** The Two Cumorahs Mesoamerican Theory was for the RLDS Church, not for the LDS Church. **

Do you know which LDS Scholars plagiarized that idea, because they grew up in the LDS Church being incorrectly taught a hemispheric model?
Because they didn't understand that Joseph Smith taught that the Book of Mormon occurred in "this" country - and not across the entire Western hemisphere?

https://bostonraremaps.com/inventory/we ... aphy-1899/

Look at the street address at the bottom right of the map.

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Check it out! In 1899, The Casa Grande Ruins near the Gila River in Arizona, were part of The Book of Mormon!

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L.E. Hills, I have a copy of the Book of Mormon from my time in seminary. It was published 1963 by Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City. It has at the beginning a collection of introductory pictures. There is a hill Cumorah in New York, some gold plates with writing from Persia 4th century B.C., copper and bronze tools from an unidentified location, gold decorative plates from Peru, textiles from Peru, a mural from Mexico, Machu Picchu "Jewel of the Andes," and a stone temple in Mexico. Well, they did not include a picture of Stonehenge.

I remember at that young age being aware of teachings which would indicate the area where the Book of Mormon events took place was somewhere near New York. At the same time there were people attracted to considering the areas further south with civilizations with fancier buildings. I thought clearly people did not know where it took place. I was already finding the possibility of Never Never Land being the location making increasing claims on my awareness.
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huckelberry wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:32 pm
L.E. Hills, I have a copy of the Book of Mormon from my time in seminary. It was published 1963 by Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City. It has at the beginning a collection of introductory pictures. There is a hill Cumorah in New York, some gold plates with writing from Persia 4th century B.C., copper and bronze tools from an unidentified location, gold decorative plates from Peru, textiles from Peru, mural from Mexico, Machu Picchu "Jewel of the Andes," and a stone temple in Mexico. Well, they did not include a picture of Stonehenge.

I remember at that young age being aware of teachings which would indicate the area where the Book of Mormon events took place was somewhere near New York. At the same time there were people attracted to considering the areas further south with civilizations with fancier buildings. I thought clearly people did not know where it took place. I was already finding the possibility of never never land being the location making increasing claims on my awareness.
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Yes, I remember a similar version of The Book of Mormon. Some thought The Book of Mormon occurred across North, Central and South America, with Central America as the "narrow neck." (As if the Nephites sailed and surveyed the coastline of the Western Hemisphere and determined C.A. was the narrowest point. Daft.)

Orson Pratt gave his opinion that The Book of Mormon occurred across the entire western hemisphere in his 1840 pamphlet, "An Interesting Account of Several Remarkable Visions."

Joseph Smith corrected him in his 1842 "Wentworth Letter" - see: https://www.mobom.org/wentworth-orson-pratt

Pratt "didn't get the memo" and noted in later versions of The Book of Mormon that it was an opinion it occurred hemispherically. Even Elder James E. Talmage taught Lehi landed in Central America in "Jesus The Christ."

RLDS CHURCH
Started in 1860 a year before the Civil War, the RLDS Church also assumed (incorrectly) that The Book of Mormon occurred across the Western Hemisphere, as noted in that Wall Map. Their hemispheric idea didn't come from Orson Pratt (he was a polygamist and rejected) but from a convert to the RLDS Church, Henry A. Stebbins. He got his ideas from other copies of The Book of Mormon, since he stated in his autobiography there were no more than 800 RLDS members when he joined and they did not have yet, their own version of The Book of Mormon.

A Two Cumorah debate occurred as early as 1901 in the basement of an RLDS Church Building in Lamoni, Iowa!!

(Lamoni, at the time, was the headquarters for the RLDS Church. It eventually was moved to Independence, before Joseph Smith III died.)

That Two Cumorah idea persisted among some LDS "scholars" and found its way into those three books in the 1920s, which were copied by John L. Sorenson and his disciples and still persists today.
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L.E.Hills wrote:
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... which books and ideas were rejected by the RLDS Church Leadership in 1923.
Yeah, but they were trying to be honest rather than perpetuating a fraud. Apologists do not have that integrity option!
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Like Richard Pryor, I vote none of the above.

There is no Hill Cumorah, because the Book of Mormon is a work of fiction.
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