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I was having a discussion with a family member whose parents were cremated and their ashes placed in a box along with numerous others with their names and dates of death, etc. I asked, if the resurrection occurs do they form a likeness of the person's former body? At what age? Imagine those who went down in the Titanic. Those wiped out in a tsunami caused by an earthquake? There is disagreement among Christians whether man has a soul. Those who are physicalists support the resurrection. Those who are dualists have to argue that one's spirit in now in some intermediate location.

If we don’t survive our own death, if we never get to eat another ice cream sandwich with our physical taste buds, then everything is ultimately meaningless. And we might as well kill ourselves now. So therefore we have to survive our own death.

Q. E. D. -DCP

When they are risen they shall come forth...


Those of the lesser kingdoms without the LDS ability to procreate planets


A Critic of the Interpreter


Glorious Resurrection of Apologists

Hope that helps.

I don't know about the afterlife, if there is one. But, if there is one, what does it matter if we have a body or not? It seems like another one of Joseph Smith's inventions, just so he could claim some sort of innovation. There is no proof of his claims that we get a body or that there is some sort of resurrection. Whatever. If we continue beyond, in whatever form, great.

Here is what creeps me out. Imagine the macabre scene as shown in the Twilight Zone episode of Mr Garrety and the Graves. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc ... ryr3I . All the different ages of clothing, age and method of expulsion from the grave is horrific.

I don't think it is logical.

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Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:59 pm

I was having a discussion with a family member whose parents were cremated and their ashes placed in a box along with numerous others with their names and dates of death, etc. I asked, if the resurrection occurs do they form a likeness of the person's former body? At what age? Imagine those who went down in the Titanic. Those wiped out in a tsunami caused by an earthquake? There is disagreement among Christians whether man has a soul. Those who are physicalists support the resurrection. Those who are dualists have to argue that one's spirit in now in some intermediate location.

Hauslern, imagine someone eaten by fish or perhaps blown to bits or eaten by worms. I think the idea of repairing a corpse does not work very well. However, a person's body is a pattern and form; the particular material is replaced many times while living. I think resurrection makes sense as a recreation of the form in new materials. Even if the materials, atoms, and molecules of the person have been spread all over the world--which is entirely possible--remaking the form would be as easy as remaking the form of any decayed individual or skeleton.

Some Christians think of an intermediate state before resurrection; others do not. I am not sure if there is a clear division between physicalists and dualists represented there.

As I have got older, for some reason I have become more impressed by how I am not able to imagine what people would be doing in an afterlife. I can imagine any number of puzzles and find myself thinking that it is so foreign to my experience that am clueless.

Where do one's memories exist? In our brain? In a brain eaten by worms, do memories cease? People with brain damage who are intellectually challenged are people I hear have damage to their frontal lobes which control inhibitions. On the train to work, I watched the young kids going to their special school. They would talk loudly and couples would start inappropriate affection in front of everyone. Then you have people who suffer from dementia. I visited my cousin in the nursing home who, when she saw me, asked who I was. I ask JWs about this and they respond that Jehovah keeps all our memories of those who are his followers to be restored to the individual at the resurrection.

Even if the materials, atoms, and molecules of the person have been spread all over the world--which is entirely possible--remaking the form would be as easy as remaking the form of any decayed individual or skeleton."

Who would do the remaking of the bodies of those who died in Nagasaki after the atomic bomb explosion? Fundamentalist Christians believe the wicked will burn in hell but not burn up. That would be some material.

Imagine the breaking of glass here in the British Museum:

https://artsandculture.google.com/stree ... 0000000002

Fundamentalist Christians believe the wicked will burn in hell but not burn up. That would be some material.

Some people are just too f'ed up in their fundamentalism.

Who would do the remaking of the bodies of those who died in Nagasaki after the atomic bomb explosion?

Certainly nobody but a creator God with something like infinite knowledge and power can do that. No such god? Then worms get the last word.

I just noticed that auto correct has blurred my comment. Fed up is incorrect. I meant to reference an impolite word for sexual activity that is often used to describe something seriously messed up, damaged, tangled, or inoperable. It is an odd transmission of word meaning but that dual meaning has a very long standing usage.