Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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IHAQ wrote:He’s telling you, overtly but maybe unwittingly, that you and your questions are not worth his time and his effort.
That's interesting if true. He said point blank there is a such thing as bad apologetics, and I only asked for an example. If I claimed there were a such thing as cars, then surely I have in mind at least one example of an automobile, and it wouldn't be much effort to say, "Ford!" or "crossover!"

That he resorted desperately to copilot shows that he did not have any examples of bad apologetics in mind when he made the statement. In other words, MG does not believe there have been bad apologetics. He threw out a talking point to make himself sound fair minded. This is a common tactic of psudoscientists and conspiracy theorists.

And then, he lectures me on the lack of commonality between believers and unbelievers, the gulf is too wide to have a conversation. Yet, he has spent gobs of time on this forum over the years primarily engaging with unbelievers. To my knowledge, there are no Catholics on the board, which he believes is the best example of common ground for a discussion. Why hasn't he spent a thousand hours on Catholic forums? He comes here with his astounding discovery of the Hanson debate to throw at a bunch of unbelievers without enough common ground to appreciate the points. Why?

I'll tell you why. Because he really does think his Hanson guy has great arguments, that they are appropriate for atheists and we can't counter them -- that's why he posted the link.

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To your other material -- MG doesn't need Hanson to justify his voting, he's a Fox news boomer from Utah. It's interesting that Hanson is making a career apologizing for con men, but it doesn't weigh into my decision to not watch the video one way or another. This comes close:
I would like to attempt to frame him in a more complete context (without justifying his flaws) so you can make an informed choice
As if his viewers would not be able to make an informed choice otherwise -- it's a pretentious thing to say that betrays his inexperience as a scholar and life in general. I'll admit I'm tempted to see what he says there -- what "context" does he have that everyone else is missing? If Kishkumen made the same statement about Constantine, it would be condescending and insufferable, but there would be a point given he is a Roman historian after all. Given our topic is an American politician and we're largely Americans here, it's unlikely he has any special insights that half of YouTube doesn't in order to understand the context (that we're living through real time) of a presidential candidate.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:59 am
Until later.

Best wishes all.

You, too. Thanks for dropping by, MG.
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MG 2.0:

Thanks for condescending down to us here once again. Look forward to more of your attempts to justify your beliefs in the future. Maybe next time answer the burning question maybe most have here: Why is Joseph Smith the best ever?
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:40 pm
MG 2.0:

Thanks for condescending down to us here once again. Look forward to more of your attempts to justify your beliefs in the future. Maybe next time answer the burning question maybe most have here: Why is Joseph Smith the best ever?
The best ever what? I can think of a few categories where Mr. Smith might qualify.
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bbbbbbb wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:16 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2024 1:40 pm
MG 2.0:

Thanks for condescending down to us here once again. Look forward to more of your attempts to justify your beliefs in the future. Maybe next time answer the burning question maybe most have here: Why is Joseph Smith the best ever?
The best ever what? I can think of a few categories where Mr. Smith might qualify.
I think Smith was a fraud, maybe sincere, but a fraud nonetheless.

I hope that answers your question bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.
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M.G. 2.0's hero, Jacob Hansen really doesn't like Julie Hanks or her counseling methods. In fact Jacob Hansen was so irritated by Julie, that he studied, prayed and even pondered about what he should do. The answer he received from God was to notify Julie's Stake President and to make a series of online videos attacking Julie.

After sending the letter, along with various materials, to Julie's Stake President, Julie's Stake President then contacted Jacob Hansen's Stake President. Unfortunately for Jacob, it didn't turn out like he had expected.

https://youtu.be/Hk88Ribv-pg?t=2474

Jacob would make a great Scientologist.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2024 6:26 pm
M.G. 2.0's hero, Jacob Hansen really doesn't like Julie Hanks or her counseling methods. In fact Jacob Hansen was so irritated by Julie, that he studied, prayed and even pondered about what he should do. The answer he received from God was to notify Julie's Stake President and to make a series of online videos attacking Julie.

After sending the letter, along with various materials, to Julie's Stake President, Julie's Stake President then contacted Jacob Hansen's Stake President. Unfortunately for Jacob, it didn't turn out like he had expected.

https://youtu.be/Hk88Ribv-pg?t=2474

Jacob would make a great Scientologist.
It’s always worth checking into MG 2.0’s sources, because he clearly doesn’t! It’s no wonder he ran away pretty sharpish this time.
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Jacob Hansen has an account here but he’s too insecure to actually engage.

At least MG has the balls to speak here. More than you can say for any mopologist.
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drumdude wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:06 am
I think to be a little more charitable to MG, he has said in the past he experienced unbelief, or atheism, or something to that effect.

He does have legs, he does know what it’s like to walk. He just chooses not to.

Family pressures, culture, how one was raised, fear of death - these are powerful motivators. I don’t blame MG for staying in Mormonism one bit. And he lately always acknowledges that different people see things differently. That’s pretty magnanimous.
I will pop in here quickly to respond to a few posts. I really don’t want to get caught up in the round and round of going nowhere. It is for that reason, IHAQ, that I leave and then return after a time. I am in no way intimidated by you or anyone else. It’s simply that I grow weary, as I said, in going round and round without anything meaningful, to me, being said or accomplished. I realize that your mileage may vary and you want to get very last drop out of that turnip.

So, some quick responses.

Yes, drumdude, those things you mentioned are powerful motivators. But you left one out. Truth. The search for meaning in the universe beyond the here and now. That is a powerful motivator.

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:07 am
Yes I did. Saves a LOT of time and effort.
Wasting other people's time isn't the same thing as saving time for yourself.
My intent wasn’t to waste your time but simply to save time on my part.

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