Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:56 pm
Don’t forget the plates!

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You mean the tile bricks that William T. Hussy and Ashley Vandeser saw, when they went against Smith's command to not remove the cloth that he required to be there whenever anyone "witnessed" the plates?

Or only the witnesses that support a miraculous story of angels and pre-Columbian sea-fairing Jews?

I wish to attest that I too have a testimony of the Brick of Mormon.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:28 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:56 pm
Don’t forget the plates!

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=158043

Regards,
MG
You mean the tile bricks that William T. Hussy and Ashley Vandeser saw, when they went against Smith's command to not remove the cloth that he required to be there whenever anyone "witnessed" the plates?

Or only the witnesses that support a miraculous story of angels and pre-Columbian sea-fairing Jews?

I wish to attest that I too have a testimony of the Brick of Mormon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... rd_it_all/

Is this your primary source?

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MG
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:27 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:28 pm

You mean the tile bricks that William T. Hussy and Ashley Vandeser saw, when they went against Smith's command to not remove the cloth that he required to be there whenever anyone "witnessed" the plates?

Or only the witnesses that support a miraculous story of angels and pre-Columbian sea-fairing Jews?

I wish to attest that I too have a testimony of the Brick of Mormon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... rd_it_all/

Is this your primary source?

Regards,
MG
Reddit? No. My primary source is a burning in the bosom that witnesses the truth of the Brick of Mormon to me.

My secondary source is the Palmyra chapter of W.H. McIntosh's History of Wayne County, New York. Page 150, opposite of James Galloway's illustration of the Malt House and steam saw mill in Palmyra.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:42 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:27 pm


https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... rd_it_all/

Is this your primary source?

Regards,
MG
Reddit? No. My primary source is a burning in the bosom that witnesses the truth of the Brick of Mormon to me.

My secondary source is the Palmyra chapter of W.H. McIntosh's History of Wayne County, New York. Page 150, opposite of James Galloway's illustration of the Malt House and steam saw mill in Palmyra.
It shouldn't surprise me any more, but somehow it does. How is it possible that mg doesn't recall that he already commented on the account from the history of Wayne County, in the very thread he linked to three pages back????
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:42 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:27 pm


https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... rd_it_all/

Is this your primary source?

Regards,
MG
Reddit? No. My primary source is a burning in the bosom that witnesses the truth of the Brick of Mormon to me.

My secondary source is the Palmyra chapter of W.H. McIntosh's History of Wayne County, New York. Page 150, opposite of James Galloway's illustration of the Malt House and steam saw mill in Palmyra.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mormon/comment ... _the_gold/

Unsubstantiated and possible fabrication.

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MG
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:29 am
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:42 pm

Reddit? No. My primary source is a burning in the bosom that witnesses the truth of the Brick of Mormon to me.

My secondary source is the Palmyra chapter of W.H. McIntosh's History of Wayne County, New York. Page 150, opposite of James Galloway's illustration of the Malt House and steam saw mill in Palmyra.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mormon/comment ... _the_gold/

Unsubstantiated and possible fabrication.

Regards,
MG
You've provided a link to a lengthy reddit discussion, with many comments discussing many aspects, going in many directions. Can you be specific with exactly what YOU think is "unsubstantiated and possible fabrication," and why?
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Marcus wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:48 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:29 am


https://www.reddit.com/r/Mormon/comment ... _the_gold/

Unsubstantiated and possible fabrication.

Regards,
MG
You've provided a link to a lengthy reddit discussion, with many comments discussing many aspects, going in many directions. Can you be specific with exactly what YOU think is "unsubstantiated and possible fabrication," and why?
Read the comments in regards to Pomeroy Tucker and his decidedly anti-Mormon writings. There are a number of commenters who recognize that the source material used for the ‘brick story’ is less than dependable.

If you want to go with it, that’s up to you.

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MG
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:58 am
There are a number of commenters who recognize that the source material used for the ‘brick story’ is less than dependable.
What, specifically, do they suggest makes the source material less than dependable?
1. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. 2. The best evidence for The Book of Mormon is eye witness testimony, therefore… 3.The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is a type of evidence that is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:58 am
Marcus wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:48 am

You've provided a link to a lengthy reddit discussion, with many comments discussing many aspects, going in many directions. Can you be specific with exactly what YOU think is "unsubstantiated and possible fabrication," and why?
Read the comments in regards to Pomeroy Tucker and his decidedly anti-Mormon writings. ..
Can you be specific with exactly what YOU think is "unsubstantiated and possible fabrication," and why? Or you could answer ihq's question. Either way, what do YOU think?
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:44 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:58 am
There are a number of commenters who recognize that the source material used for the ‘brick story’ is less than dependable.
What, specifically, do they suggest makes the source material less than dependable?
You don’t have to read far into the comments until you come across this:

…this wouldn't count as a primary source, and it makes zero citations or presents zero primary sources.

The Smiths lived in Wayne County for 15 years.
This was written 46 years after they left. Any person who personally knew the Smiths as an adult was at least 64 years old and hadn't seen them in over 46 years.
To me this sounds like a bunch of tall tales that were told from neighbor to neighbor about the strange family that started a religion and then left. Furthermore, it appears that the original account of Hussey and Vanduzer was part of Pomeroy Tucker's Origin, Rise, and Progress of Mormonism. Tucker was an avowed anti-Mormon and critic of Smith. Yet even in that book it doesn't cite where the story of Hussey and Vanduzer came from. He doesn't claim it was told to him firsthand by Hussey or Vanduzer, and no other source is provided.
It goes on from there. Steuss gave a less than trustworthy source for his ‘brick story’. As I said, if you want to believe this ‘source’ then I suppose that’s up to you. I’m not going to go with the ‘no plates theory’ based on this.

Pretty shaky.

Regards,
MG
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