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CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:33 am
by Kishkumen
https://youtu.be/i4XjMH1cxWg?si=WZwoNp3UxGrY_njQ
One of the most popular Mormon YouTubers, Nemo the Mormon, has been called in for a disciplinary council with the likely outcome of losing his membership in the LDS Church. Nemo, echoing John Dehlin, calls this a "medieval solution to a modern problem." Are they right?
I went into this one "triggered" by the usual claim that ex-communication is a medieval solution to a modern problem. See where I landed on this.
One of the reasons I did this is because I am bummed that Nemo is facing church discipline, even though it is absolutely predictable. I just really like Nemo and his show. I also find Elder Oaks' call for MORE excommunications absolutely baffling.
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:18 pm
by Moksha
What is wrong with those reformers from the Age of Reason? They have no business being in the Middle Ages. If we propose burning them at the stake and they blab it will only embarrass the Church. What if we locked Nemo up like his compatriot Galileo so no word of his punishment can leak out?
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:56 pm
by Kishkumen
Moksha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:18 pm
What is wrong with those reformers from the Age of Reason? They have no business being in the Middle Ages. If we propose burning them at the stake and they blab it will only embarrass the Church. What if we locked Nemo up like his compatriot Galileo so no word of his punishment can leak out?
With so many options, why stop at excommunication?
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:19 pm
by Moksha
Kishkumen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:56 pm
With so many options, why stop at excommunication?
Sending out the Danites or lone assassins like Orin Porter Rockwell is no longer an option from a PR standpoint.
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:05 pm
by Fence Sitter
Moksha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:19 pm
Kishkumen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:56 pm
With so many options, why stop at excommunication?
Sending out the Danites or lone assassins like Orin Porter Rockwell is no longer an option from a PR standpoint.
The modern option seems to be pagers.
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:23 pm
by Moksha
Fence Sitter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:05 pm
The modern option seems to be pagers.
Do you think the Church might request Mossad and the Israeli Army to share some of their technology via their Jerusalem center? Could they link into iPhones and Android devices that have listings for Mormon Stories, Mormon Discussions, and Discuss Mormonism? That would be a powerful technology to have. Do you think President Oaks would demand to push the button himself as part of his ex-communication rubric?
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:27 pm
by drumdude
Kishkumen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:33 am
I also find Elder Oaks' call for MORE excommunications absolutely baffling.
I see it as completely in character with Oak’s theology. The ultimate unquestionable authority of the brethren is his most important idea he wants to convey to the members. There is no better way to demonstrate that authority than to flex it with these public shows of force.
Oaks cares about legalism, authoritarianism, and purity culture. Those are his fundamental religious tenants, and they supersede any of those loving liberal ideas that Jesus Christ ever said.
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:23 pm
by Philo Sofee
drumdude wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:27 pm
Kishkumen wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:33 am
I also find Elder Oaks' call for MORE excommunications absolutely baffling.
I see it as completely in character with Oak’s theology. The ultimate unquestionable authority of the brethren is his most important idea he wants to convey to the members. There is no better way to demonstrate that authority than to flex it with these public shows of force.
Oaks cares about legalism, authoritarianism, and purity culture. Those are his fundamental religious tenants, and they supersede any of those loving liberal ideas that Jesus Christ ever said.
Exactly how Doug Vincent and I see it on my Sunday Live a few days back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYSiE8QiGUI&t=749s
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:48 am
by Kishkumen
drumdude wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:27 pm
I see it as completely in character with Oak’s theology. The ultimate unquestionable authority of the brethren is his most important idea he wants to convey to the members. There is no better way to demonstrate that authority than to flex it with these public shows of force.
Oaks cares about legalism, authoritarianism, and purity culture. Those are his fundamental religious tenants, and they supersede any of those loving liberal ideas that Jesus Christ ever said.
Sounds pretty accurate to me.
Re: CWK: Is Excommunication a Medieval Solution?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:51 am
by Morley
Fence Sitter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:05 pm
Moksha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:19 pm
Sending out the Danites or lone assassins like Orin Porter Rockwell is no longer an option from a PR standpoint.
The modern option seems to be pagers.
Ouch. Well done.