My husband was touched on the penis when he went through the temple for his first marriage. After the session he went to his car - and vomited. 40 years later he is still traumatized.
I was grazed a few times when I was in my twenties, now I wonder if it was accidental or not.
Go back far enough and the touching was more. . .hands on. When my grandfather went through the temple around 1930, the guy doing the initiatory cupped his genitals with an oily hand for several seconds while he repeated the words.
We’re compiling such stories. We’ve seen dozens if not hundreds in this sub alone.
If anyone that reads the forum has been victimized by the temple ceremony, floodlit is collecting the stories so the church can’t sweep it under the rug.
Of all the creepy things in the temple (based on Masonic rites and otherwise), the washing and anointing is likely in most everyone's top three creep-out's.
"The truth has no defense against a fool determined to believe a lie." – Mark Twain
I feel victimized every single time I go to the temple. Dressing up like a space-age baker, having to endure a crappy film experience, weird Masonic handshakes, the veil, and the gaudy Celestial room. It's a ridiculous experience.
I'm sorry to hear that in addition to the cultish and bizarre temple experience, many men also had someone touch their wieners. Very creepy.
Maybe that's the next big class action lawsuit against the Church. I can just picture the advertisements.
"I'm on paid sabbatical from BYU in exchange for my promise to use this time to finish two books."
Are we certain the genital touching came from the Masonic ceremony or was it strictly a Mormon adaptation? I doubt Lindsey Graham's Pink Lodge of South Carolina has ever shared any rites with the LDS Temples.
That IS awful. Anyone who used their role as a temple worker to abuse others sexually is a disgusting human being.
My experience in the initiatories was wonderful. My genitals were not touched, of course. It makes me sad that some took advantage and were abusive.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
The initiatory is the creepiest, most cultish thing I’ve ever been subjected to. It is the perfect set up for an abuser.
Does a man perform the initiatory for a woman? If so, that’s even more of an ideal opportunity for an abuser.
That ordinance was the thing that made me start questioning the Church.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
The initiatory is the creepiest, most cultish thing I’ve ever been subjected to. It is the perfect set up for an abuser.
Does a man perform the initiatory for a woman? If so, that’s even more of an ideal opportunity for an abuser.
That ordinance was the thing that made me start questioning the Church.
My initiatory was performed by a woman, but the "five points of fellowship" groping was done by a man. It felt extremely inappropriate to be handled like that with a piece of cloth between us (the 'veil') especially since my fiance was standing next to me watching. But, I was an obedient Mormon girl at the time and didn't feel like I had any options other than to just let it happen.
The initiatory is the creepiest, most cultish thing I’ve ever been subjected to. It is the perfect set up for an abuser.
Does a man perform the initiatory for a woman? If so, that’s even more of an ideal opportunity for an abuser.
That ordinance was the thing that made me start questioning the Church.
My initiatory was performed by a woman, but the "five points of fellowship" groping was done by a man. It felt extremely inappropriate to be handled like that with a piece of cloth between us (the 'veil') especially since my fiance was standing next to me watching. But, I was an obedient Mormon girl at the time and didn't feel like I had any options other than to just let it happen.
Well, the guy on the other side of the veil, If I recall correctly, is a stand-in for God, ...
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My initiatory was performed by a woman, but the "five points of fellowship" groping was done by a man. It felt extremely inappropriate to be handled like that with a piece of cloth between us (the 'veil') especially since my fiance was standing next to me watching. But, I was an obedient Mormon girl at the time and didn't feel like I had any options other than to just let it happen.
Well, the guy on the other side of the veil, If I recall correctly, is a stand-in for God, ...
I don't want a god who handles women like that either, so that doesn't help. Not to mention that it is invariably a human who says 'god told me' to stand in for him so that's why I'm allowed to grope multiple women.
Well, the guy on the other side of the veil, If I recall correctly, is a stand-in for God, ...
I don't want a god who handles women like that either, so that doesn't help. Not to mention that it is invariably a human who says 'god told me' to stand in for him so that's why I'm allowed to grope multiple women.
I had no idea there was opposite sex touching, I thought it was all same sex. That’s awful, Marcus. I’m really sorry you went through that.
It makes me sick to think my bride may have experienced the same thing when we went through together.
