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Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:37 pm
by IWMP
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:35 pm
IWMP wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:20 pm
That's interesting.
Sometimes things are over simplified here. There are usually more moving parts.

Regards,
MG
Do you mean with A.I. or on this forum?

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:42 pm
by MG 2.0
IWMP wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:37 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:35 pm
Sometimes things are over simplified here. There are usually more moving parts.

Regards,
MG
Do you mean with A.I. or on this forum?
On this forum. With A.I. you can continue the 'discussion' without being derailed by trolling behavior from some folks.

Regards,
MG

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:47 pm
by yellowstone123
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:35 pm
IWMP wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:20 pm
That's interesting.
Sometimes things are over simplified here. There are usually more moving parts.

Regards,
MG
In what ways?

Do you mean the things Mormons add and tell their community this type of activity will bring joy. How do you square it with people that are not Mormon who seem a lot happier, have better relationships, and are far more productive citizens.

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:52 am
by Gadianton
huckelberry wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:04 am
Gadianton, Why on earth would you accept a chick comic as a good or valid presentation of Christian faith, hope, or ideals? I see as much the opposite.
While I respect your viewpoints and Jersey's also as Christians who see the world in terms of fairness and goodness in ways that are similar to my own, and perhaps you represent ways in which I would prefer Christians to be, you don't necessarily best represent what Christianity is today. And that's a good thing. 82% of white EVs voted Trump per Pew. It's only to yours and Jersey's eternal credit that you do not represent Christianity as it is today.

The reason why I think the Holy Joe tract is valid is because it was one of several that were literally given to me by either EV lay ministers or missionary-minded members both before and during my mission. The tract does make clear the point that I have gleaned from radio ministries also, that salvation comes through the salvation prayer and by no other means; being a good person or a bad person is irrelevant.

I think this tract is relevant to IWMP's discussions with her Christian friends. I think they should read the tract and discuss it as a group.

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:21 am
by Moksha
drumdude wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:17 pm
A Mormon might say salvation is universal, but everyone gets varying door prizes depending on their qualifications.
What if they had porn shoulders (although eternal damnation on that point might be altered by the new garmies configuration)? Perhaps we need to think in terms of BPS and APS.

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:38 am
by Jersey Girl
Gadianton wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:52 am
huckelberry wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:04 am
Gadianton, Why on earth would you accept a chick comic as a good or valid presentation of Christian faith, hope, or ideals? I see as much the opposite.
While I respect your viewpoints and Jersey's also as Christians who see the world in terms of fairness and goodness in ways that are similar to my own, and perhaps you represent ways in which I would prefer Christians to be, you don't necessarily best represent what Christianity is today. And that's a good thing. 82% of white EVs voted Trump per Pew. It's only to yours and Jersey's eternal credit that you do not represent Christianity as it is today.

The reason why I think the Holy Joe tract is valid is because it was one of several that were literally given to me by either EV lay ministers or missionary-minded members both before and during my mission. The tract does make clear the point that I have gleaned from radio ministries also, that salvation comes through the salvation prayer and by no other means; being a good person or a bad person is irrelevant.

I think this tract is relevant to IWMP's discussions with her Christian friends. I think they should read the tract and discuss it as a group.

Gad, the Bible hasn't changed. Society has changed.

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:10 pm
by IWMP
Gadianton wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:52 am
huckelberry wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:04 am
Gadianton, Why on earth would you accept a chick comic as a good or valid presentation of Christian faith, hope, or ideals? I see as much the opposite.
While I respect your viewpoints and Jersey's also as Christians who see the world in terms of fairness and goodness in ways that are similar to my own, and perhaps you represent ways in which I would prefer Christians to be, you don't necessarily best represent what Christianity is today. And that's a good thing. 82% of white EVs voted Trump per Pew. It's only to yours and Jersey's eternal credit that you do not represent Christianity as it is today.

The reason why I think the Holy Joe tract is valid is because it was one of several that were literally given to me by either EV lay ministers or missionary-minded members both before and during my mission. The tract does make clear the point that I have gleaned from radio ministries also, that salvation comes through the salvation prayer and by no other means; being a good person or a bad person is irrelevant.

I think this tract is relevant to IWMP's discussions with her Christian friends. I think they should read the tract and discuss it as a group.
I read the comic strip. It was interesting. I don't understand why evangelists would think non Christians would read that in a positive light and think this makes me want to come to christ.

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:10 pm
by IWMP
Moksha wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:21 am
drumdude wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:17 pm
A Mormon might say salvation is universal, but everyone gets varying door prizes depending on their qualifications.
What if they had porn shoulders (although eternal damnation on that point might be altered by the new garmies configuration)? Perhaps we need to think in terms of BPS and APS.
Porn shoulders?

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:13 pm
by IWMP
Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:38 am
Gadianton wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:52 am


While I respect your viewpoints and Jersey's also as Christians who see the world in terms of fairness and goodness in ways that are similar to my own, and perhaps you represent ways in which I would prefer Christians to be, you don't necessarily best represent what Christianity is today. And that's a good thing. 82% of white EVs voted Trump per Pew. It's only to yours and Jersey's eternal credit that you do not represent Christianity as it is today.

The reason why I think the Holy Joe tract is valid is because it was one of several that were literally given to me by either EV lay ministers or missionary-minded members both before and during my mission. The tract does make clear the point that I have gleaned from radio ministries also, that salvation comes through the salvation prayer and by no other means; being a good person or a bad person is irrelevant.

I think this tract is relevant to IWMP's discussions with her Christian friends. I think they should read the tract and discuss it as a group.

Gad, the Bible hasn't changed. Society has changed.
I was in a meeting today, I was told by my friend after the meeting that the person we met with asked her how she was preparing for the influx of people coming to church because of the second coming. Not Mormon. Not sure what type of Christian he was actually. Apparently more people are coming to church in general since COVID.

Re: When you were Christian...

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:34 pm
by sock puppet
IWMP wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:13 pm
Apparently more people are coming to church in general since COVID.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/20 ... -services/