Peterson (unwittingly) demonstrates a surge of LDS support for Trump's second term

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Peterson (unwittingly) demonstrates a surge of LDS support for Trump's second term

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In an article attempting to persuade readers that LDS voters weren't majorly in favour of Trump in any great number, our obsessive-board-reading perma-tourist provides the information that shows LDS voters turned towards Trump in great numbers AFTER he was convicted of 34 felony counts of business wrongdoing, and AFTER a civil conviction of paying hush money to a porn star, and AFTER he incited an insurrection.

First the smoke and mirrors...
Obviously, many Latter-day Saints have supported Donald Trump — or, at least, have opposed Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. (I opposed Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton.) But are Latter-day Saints exceptionally devoted to Mr. Trump?

Here is a table of the percentage of the ballots cast by Utah voters for Republican presidential candidates in the past fourteen national elections, extending over fifty-two years. It should be readily apparent that the Republican figures for the three most recent presidential elections — the three elections in which Mr. Trump was the Republican Party’s nominee — are noticeably lower than all but two of the other eleven.
This isn't about LDS voters voting Republican. This is about LDS voters voting for Trump. And so anything prior to 2016 is irrelevant. So here is the relevant data that Peterson handily provides...
Here is a table of the percentage of the ballots cast by Utah voters for Republican presidential candidates in the past fourteen national elections, extending over fifty-two years.
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2016 (45.5%)
2020 (58.1%)
2024 (59.4%)

To me, while the data above clearly demonstrate Utah to be a reliably Republican state, they fail to suggest an exceptional Utah surge toward Mr. Trump in particular.
Unfortunately for Peterson, an exceptional Utah surge towards Trump in 2024 is exactly what those figures show. A 31% surge in fact. The Orange Pussy Grabber In Chief was significantly more appealing to Mormons AFTER his convictions, and AFTER his role in an insurrection.
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Trump appeals to the LDS Dark Side. It means further light and knowledge has been sucked from the membership.
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It is sad to see LDS people drifting into the Trump camp. He is the antithesis of the basic LDS principles of choosing the right, honesty, and charity.
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Perhaps Dan didn't click on Everybody Wang Chung's latest McNaughton thread to remind himself what he's filtering out in 59% of the conversations he has on any given Sunday.

From my experience interacting with family members, those who vote Republican have more faith in Don than they do Rusty. And those who don't, but who used to vote Republican, are dismayed by how insanely devoted their fellow members are to man who has never told the truth in his life. Not talking about Smith.
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I’d much rather DCP try to argue that Mormons have some deep incompatibility with MAGA.

But I’m not sure he can make a case to convince his fellow Mormons.
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In 2024, 73% of Mormon voters in Utah supported Trump. In 2020 72% of Mormon voters supported Trump.

I guarantee that when Trump runs in 2028 (and he will), Mormon voter support will be around 80%.

Mormons love Trump and overwhelmingly voted for him (3 times). Why would the Afore even attempt to pretend otherwise?
In Utah, where Latter-day Saints made up 52% of voters, 73% of Latter-day Saints supported Trump and 24% supported Harris.

The 2020 Fox News exit poll showed nationally 72% of Latter-day Saints supported Trump compared to 23% for former President Joe Biden.
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Gadianton wrote:
Tue May 06, 2025 1:17 pm
From my experience interacting with family members, those who vote Republican have more faith in Don than they do Rusty. And those who don't, but who used to vote Republican, are dismayed by how insanely devoted their fellow members are to man who has never told the truth in his life. Not talking about Smith.
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Harris received more votes than Trump within Salt Lake County, but Salt Lake County now has more non-Mormons than Mormons. The rest of Utah is still heavily Mormon with Trump having received about 66.5% of the vote within the rest of Utah outside of Salt Lake County.
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In an increasingly fevered attempt at convincing himself that he's not an outlier as a Mormon who didn't vote for Trump, Peterson gives his readers another healthy dose of cherry picked "snippets". First he tries to demean and belittle and move the goalposts
A number of years ago, I was chatting with a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy (now long emeritus) about partisan politics and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (This member of the Seventy held a doctorate in political science from Harvard University and had had an impressive international academic career prior to his call to full-time ecclesiastical work.) He recalled a conversation with the late Michael Deaver, who had served for several years as deputy White House chief of staff under Ronald Reagan, in which Deaver thanked him for Latter-day Saint loyalty to the Republican Party. Feeling impish, Elder X responded that, actually, the majority of Latter-day Saints were probably socialists. Mr. Deaver was surprised and puzzled, so Elder X explained that most members of the Church now live outside of the United States and that, for example, most Venezuelan Saints were almost certainly Chavistas.

Mr. Deaver had forgotten — or, more likely, didn’t know — about the existence of Latter-day Saints beyond the borders of the United States of America. And so too, seemingly, do those who prattle confidently about how almost all members of the Church are absolutely in love with Donald Trump. It turns out, though, that most members of the Church aren’t Americans at all, let alone MAGA Republicans.
Nobody was claiming that globally, most Mormons are MAGA Republicans. That wasn't even the question Peterson himself was answering yesterday. He said, and I quote "To me, while the data above clearly demonstrate Utah to be a reliably Republican state, they fail to suggest an exceptional Utah surge toward Mr. Trump in particular." The data 45.5% of the vote in 2016, 59.4% of the vote in 2024, shows a 30% surge (which is exceptional in politics) toward Mr Trump in Utah in the 2024 election.

If someone is "prattling on" it's Peterson himself. His final point amounts to a "Yeah, but..."
One final point: There is, it seems to me, a significant difference between someone who is enraptured with Mr. Trump in particular and a habitual Republican voter of more or less conservative inclinations who opted for Mr. Trump (a) because Mr. Trump was the Republican nominee and (b) because that voter regarded Hillary Clinton and/or Joe Biden and/or Kamala Harris as flatly unpalatable. I know a few genuine Trump enthusiasts. I know many more people, though, who simply oppose the current Democratic Party, which they associate with transgender athletes, defunding the police, overregulation, urban anarchy, and a host of other positions that they deem beyond the pale. The former are MAGA Republicans. The latter are just Republicans, or conservatives.
In other words, most LDS voting for Trump in 2024 weren't really voting for Trump. He seems desperate to ignore the obvious.

Given the highly political content over the last two days, one assumes those donors who threatened to withhold future donations were Peterson to use his blog as a platform to discuss politics have already stopped donating.
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Bo Gritz from the Aryan Nations received more Utah votes than Bill Clinton back in 1992. Utah is an outlier in American politics. It might stem from a susceptibility to wacky ideas and an overdose of Ezra Taft Benson and Cleon Skousen.
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