The 181st anniversary of a community ridding itself of a dangerous sexual deviant

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The 181st anniversary of a community ridding itself of a dangerous sexual deviant

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We most solemnly and sincerely declare, God this Day being witness of the truth and sincerity of our designs and statements, that happy will it be with those who examine and scan Joseph Smith's pretensions to righteousness; and take counsel of human affairs, and of the experience of times gone by. Do not yield up tranquilly a superiority to that man which the reasonableness of past events, and the laws of our country declare to be pernicious and diabolical. We hope many items of doctrine, as now taught, some of which, however, are taught secretly, and denied openly, (which we know positively is the case,)and others publicly, considerate men will treat with contempt; for we declare them heretical and damnable in their influence, though they find many devotees. How shall he, who had drank of the poisonous draft, teach virtue? In the stead thereof, when the criminal ought to plead guilty to the court, the court is obliged to plead guilty to the criminal. We appeal to humanity and ask, what shall we do? Shall we lie supinely and suffer ourselves to be metamorphosed into beasts by the Syren tongue? We amswer that our country and our God require that we should rectify the tree. We have called upon him to repent, and as soon as he shewed fruits meet for repentance, we stood ready to seize him by the hand of fellowship, and throw around him the mantle of protection; for it is the salvation of souls we desire, and not our own aggrandizement .
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Joseph Smith was a sexual predator and conman extraordinaire. In addition to using his position of power to marry at least 34 wives, here are just a few of Joseph's legal troubles. What a great guy:

1826 - disorderly person

1830 - fraud/glass looking

1830 - disorderly person

1835 - assault on Calvin Stoddard

1837 - illegal banking/fraud

1837 - conspiracy to murder Grandison Newel

1838 - banking fraud

1838 - threatening harm/death to Judge Adam Black

1838 - treason against Missouri

1841 - fugitive of the law/fleeing Missouri

1842 - conspiracy to murder governor Boggs

1843 - treason against Missouri

1844 - perjury, fornication, adultery and polygamy

1844 - inciting a riot

1844 - treason against Illinois

For the last 200 years, the "church" Joseph founded has targeted whole populations of people who have had their rights taken away, or diminished. It's a religion defined by hurting, repressing, and oppressing others who don't fit their definition of righteous.

I would be shocked if the "church" could manage to produce anything, one single thing, that is a positive fruit or blessing, demonstrable and tangible that came from Joseph Smith.
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drumdude wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:53 pm
We most solemnly and sincerely declare, God this Day being witness of the truth and sincerity of our designs and statements, that happy will it be with those who examine and scan Joseph Smith's pretensions to righteousness; and take counsel of human affairs, and of the experience of times gone by. Do not yield up tranquilly a superiority to that man which the reasonableness of past events, and the laws of our country declare to be pernicious and diabolical. We hope many items of doctrine, as now taught, some of which, however, are taught secretly, and denied openly, (which we know positively is the case,)and others publicly, considerate men will treat with contempt; for we declare them heretical and damnable in their influence, though they find many devotees. How shall he, who had drank of the poisonous draft, teach virtue? In the stead thereof, when the criminal ought to plead guilty to the court, the court is obliged to plead guilty to the criminal. We appeal to humanity and ask, what shall we do? Shall we lie supinely and suffer ourselves to be metamorphosed into beasts by the Syren tongue? We amswer that our country and our God require that we should rectify the tree. We have called upon him to repent, and as soon as he shewed fruits meet for repentance, we stood ready to seize him by the hand of fellowship, and throw around him the mantle of protection; for it is the salvation of souls we desire, and not our own aggrandizement .
https://bhroberts.org/records/0S8KMz-hN ... _president
Is this a link and run? I don't see where you have suggested why we ought to be interested in this quote and what your own personal opinion and thoughts are in regards to the quote. What should we learn?

I guess we can let IHQ be the judge. ;)

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:50 am
Joseph Smith was a sexual predator and conman extraordinaire. In addition to using his position of power to marry at least 34 wives, here are just a few of Joseph's legal troubles. What a great guy:

1826 - disorderly person

1830 - fraud/glass looking

1830 - disorderly person

1835 - assault on Calvin Stoddard

1837 - illegal banking/fraud

1837 - conspiracy to murder Grandison Newel

1838 - banking fraud

1838 - threatening harm/death to Judge Adam Black

1838 - treason against Missouri

1841 - fugitive of the law/fleeing Missouri

1842 - conspiracy to murder governor Boggs

1843 - treason against Missouri

1844 - perjury, fornication, adultery and polygamy

1844 - inciting a riot

1844 - treason against Illinois

For the last 200 years, the "church" Joseph founded has targeted whole populations of people who have had their rights taken away, or diminished. It's a religion defined by hurting, repressing, and oppressing others who don't fit their definition of righteous.

I would be shocked if the "church" could manage to produce anything, one single thing, that is a positive fruit or blessing, demonstrable and tangible that came from Joseph Smith.
Did you use a search engine to find this timeline? If so, what is the link? Do you feel that you've done due diligence in using this information to point a negative finger at Joseph Smith. Or did you use an A.I LLM model?

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MG,

I know how upsetting this must be for you seeing what a bad person Joseph was.

If you want to learn the basics of some of Joseph’s legal issues, you can always start with Wikipedia. Once you’ve read the basics I can give you several sources for your reading enjoyment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_ ... ice_system
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Here's a depiction of the angel commanding our hero to have sex with young women. And of course an angel told him to do it.

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Yea, thou shalt find choice young handmaids to build up seed unto me and thou shalt enjoy their youth and be glad, thus sayeth the Lord!
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:07 am
Here's a depiction of the angel commanding our hero to have sex with young women. And of course an angel told him to do it.

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Yea, thou shalt find choice young handmaids to build up seed unto me and thou shalt enjoy their youth and be glad, thus sayeth the Lord!
God really has his priorities straight. God could have sent that same angel to stop Hitler, but I guess forcing Joseph to have lots of sex with underage girls and marry other men’s wives was more important.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:07 am
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Once the angel "hath loosed the fateful lightning of his terrible swift sword," Joseph would be shishkebab. Even if it sounded like a phony story made up to get laid, the Saints would not want that on their conscience.
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Someone needs to learn the difference between a sourced and posted quote and a link and run.
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