TTOC

[MG 2.0]

Hi board members. A quick interjection.

Within many LDS thread topics I have spent a LOT of time and energy responding to the posts of some board members more than others. The common thread seems to be that these particular folks have multiple ways and means to try and provoke and inflame and steer the conversation towards me rather than engage in honest discussion.

In the past I've mentioned this and my desire to move towards more civil discussion. What occurs, however, is what we saw recently where some posters 'flooded the zone' with posts meant to well, flood the zone. When I post a response with meaningful dialogue it is ignored.

I don't have time for that anymore. Recently I responded to some posts by certain individuals (you might guess who they are) by simply replying "TTOC", which means "Turn The Other Cheek". I could have been doing this before but fell into traps of feeling a need to respond to most posts.

No more.

There may be significantly more responses on my part of "TTOC" when I can see the conversation is going nowhere except downhill with false innuendo, trolling my posts, and the like.

This will save me a LOT of time while still being a participant on the board. Enough is enough.

The downside is that there will be a LOT of 'flak' and other words thrown out there, however untrue, that I will have to take on the chin.

I appreciate folks such as huckleberry and some others that seem to have a sense of fairness.

So, in the future as I see some posts come up from certain individuals I will simply respond with "TTOC".

It's NOT that I am afraid of responding. It's simply that there are some folks I am just plain tired of rehashing and rehashing the same old stuff with.

I am actually interested in sharing ideas that maybe haven't been discussed yet and/or adding some flesh to things being discussed that I believe deserve and alternate point of view

Thanks for your time.

Best wishes to everyone.

MG

[High Spy]

The image is linked as per instructions, here.

"TTOC", which means "Turn The Other Cheek“

What are your thoughts about Walter Wink’s Third Way Interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount.

[MG 2.0]

The image is linked as per instructions, here.

"TTOC", which means "Turn The Other Cheek“

What are your thoughts about Walter Wink’s Third Way Interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount.

No interest.

Often, I may respond with a similar expression:

Not interested. Or...not interesting. Or, no interest. I may also preface my short remarks with something along the line of "not true" if something has been said that is essentially a lie/fiction.

Regards,
MG

[High Spy]

No interest.

Often, I may respond with a similar expression:

Not interested. Or...not interesting. Or, no interest. I may also preface my short remarks with something along the line of "not true" if something has been said that is essentially a lie/fiction.

Regards,
MG

Are you interested in explaining your interpretation of TTOC.

[drumdude]

I think, as the sole prominent believer here, you have a difficult job defending the faith here and I don’t blame you for feeling like you need to disengage more often to deal with it. It’s not usually fun to be dog piled on.

I’m glad you’re staying with us!

[Marcus]

I think, as the sole prominent believer here, you have a difficult job defending the faith here and I don’t blame you for feeling like you need to disengage more often to deal with it. It’s not usually fun to be dog piled on.

I’m glad you’re staying with us!

I wish he would disengage, if by that you mean simply express his opinion. It's when he combines his opinion with disparagement or ugly innuendo, or even outright bigotry about the character and lives of anyone that he perceives as believing differently than him, that the trouble starts.

Res Ipsa called these types of his remarks "passive aggressive process comments." His advice about that is well worth another read:

...

But, we can agree to disagree and do so without vitriol or slamming the ‘other’. I would need to be more aware of when I might be saying something that might be offensive to someone that has particular sensitivities.

OK, if you’re sincere about wanting to reduce the vitriol, this is the kind of bullcrap that you need to stop doing. What gets you sideways with people every single time is your passive aggressive process comments.

The problem is not that other people are “sensitive” and take “offense” easily. That’s simply the excuse that dicks use to justify dickish behavior. It’s an arrogant, rhetorical trick that allows you to simply dismiss someone’s words without addressing what they actually said.

Take “I’m okay, you’re okay” seriously. People react emotionally to words, AND THEY’RE OKAY. What’s not okay? Attacking them personally by dismissing what they say because they’re “too sensitive.” Address the words people say, not the people who say the words.

That one simple trick (no process comments) will reduce the rancor. Well, you might need a second simple trick: ignore other people’s process comments — don’t be trolled into giving up on the first simple trick.

This thread and others has helped me to understand what some of those sensitivities might be. Just as people of faith may be hurt by comments made derogatory of their faith or person, it works the other way around.

If the lesson you’ve learned here is that other people are sensitive, you’ve learned exactly nothing. I’m dead serious. If you can’t grasp that, the tone of your conversations here will never ever ever ever change.

Even if those comments might be made, at least in some cases, somewhat inadvertently or innocently. We all say things that we later…after more introspection…realize would have been better left unsaid.

And there is such a thing as hypersensitivity.

I give up. You’re doomed. One last try.

STOP TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE’S BEHAVIOR. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR. YOU CAN ONLY CHANGE YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR. ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE — THEY’RE OKAY.

I can do better. Others can do better.

Point is taken.

Nope. Point missed completely. If you can manage to say “I can do better. Full Stop.” You can say “Point taken.”

[holding added.]

[MG 2.0]

I think, as the sole prominent believer here, you have a difficult job defending the faith here and I don’t blame you for feeling like you need to disengage more often to deal with it. It’s not usually fun to be dog piled on.

I’m glad you’re staying with us!

I wish he would disengage, if by that you mean simply express his opinion. It's when he combines his opinion with disparagement or ugly innuendo, or even outright bigotry about the character and lives of anyone that he perceives as believing differently than him, that the trouble starts.

Res Ipsa called these types of his remarks "passive aggressive process comments." His advice about that is well worth another read:

...

OK, if you’re sincere about wanting to reduce the vitriol, this is the kind of bullcrap that you need to stop doing. What gets you sideways with people every single time is your passive aggressive process comments.

The problem is not that other people are “sensitive” and take “offense” easily. That’s simply the excuse that dicks use to justify dickish behavior. It’s an arrogant, rhetorical trick that allows you to simply dismiss someone’s words without addressing what they actually said.

Take “I’m okay, you’re okay” seriously. People react emotionally to words, AND THEY’RE OKAY. What’s not okay? Attacking them personally by dismissing what they say because they’re “too sensitive.” Address the words people say, not the people who say the words.

That one simple trick (no process comments) will reduce the rancor. Well, you might need a second simple trick: ignore other people’s process comments — don’t be trolled into giving up on the first simple trick.


If the lesson you’ve learned here is that other people are sensitive, you’ve learned exactly nothing. I’m dead serious. If you can’t grasp that, the tone of your conversations here will never ever ever ever change.


I give up. You’re doomed. One last try.

STOP TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE’S BEHAVIOR. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR. YOU CAN ONLY CHANGE YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR. ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE — THEY’RE OKAY.


Nope. Point missed completely. If you can manage to say “I can do better. Full Stop.” You can say “Point taken.”

[holding added.]

No worries, Marcus. I do have one suggestion though. Lighten up a bit. Sexism isn't around every corner. I understand that you might be hypersensitive to some things for one reason or another. But I think it will all work out for the better this way. I've spent WAY too much time going back and forth with you on things that are really a waste of your time and mine. From here on out you will find that you are able to get in the last word rather than finding me constantly responding to you for silly little things.

As I've said, my interests here lie elsewhere other than participating in useless obsessions that are a waste of time and energy.

I understand that you apparently feel/have a compunction to follow me around and post 'kudos' to others right after I've made comments. I'm sure you have your reasons why. That being said, I think it is important to co-exist with those that I disagree with but I'm finding that I need to set further boundaries to my participation.

There are some posters that I will not regularly respond to or interact with as much as I have been and as I've said, I know I will probably have to 'turn the other cheek' quite often as a result.

That's OK.

Best wishes.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I think, as the sole prominent believer here, you have a difficult job defending the faith here and I don’t blame you for feeling like you need to disengage more often to deal with it. It’s not usually fun to be dog piled on.

I’m glad you’re staying with us!

Thanks drumdude. I know you and I disagree on things in the religious realm but my guess is we could enjoy a good burger together.

I appreciate you basic civility and even kindness.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Sigh. Res Ipsa called it, still. EXACTLY.

...If the lesson you’ve learned here is that other people are sensitive, you’ve learned exactly nothing. I’m dead serious. If you can’t grasp that, the tone of your conversations here will never ever ever ever change.

Even if those comments might be made, at least in some cases, somewhat inadvertently or innocently. We all say things that we later…after more introspection…realize would have been better left unsaid.

And there is such a thing as hypersensitivity.

I give up. You’re doomed. One last try.

STOP TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE’S BEHAVIOR. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR. YOU CAN ONLY CHANGE YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR. ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE — THEY’RE OKAY.

I can do better. Others can do better.

Point is taken.

Nope. Point missed completely. If you can manage to say “I can do better. Full Stop.” You can say “Point taken.”

[bolding added.]
There really is nothing at all new under the sun.

[I Have Questions]

Hi board members. A quick interjection.

Within many LDS thread topics I have spent a LOT of time and energy responding to the posts of some board members more than others. The common thread seems to be that these particular folks have multiple ways and means to try and provoke and inflame and steer the conversation towards me rather than engage in honest discussion.

In the past I've mentioned this and my desire to move towards more civil discussion. What occurs, however, is what we saw recently where some posters 'flooded the zone' with posts meant to well, flood the zone. When I post a response with meaningful dialogue it is ignored.

I don't have time for that anymore. Recently I responded to some posts by certain individuals (you might guess who they are) by simply replying "TTOC", which means "Turn The Other Cheek". I could have been doing this before but fell into traps of feeling a need to respond to most posts.

No more.

There may be significantly more responses on my part of "TTOC" when I can see the conversation is going nowhere except downhill with false innuendo, trolling my posts, and the like.

This will save me a LOT of time while still being a participant on the board. Enough is enough.

The downside is that there will be a LOT of 'flak' and other words thrown out there, however untrue, that I will have to take on the chin.

I appreciate folks such as huckleberry and some others that seem to have a sense of fairness.

So, in the future as I see some posts come up from certain individuals I will simply respond with "TTOC".

It's NOT that I am afraid of responding. It's simply that there are some folks I am just plain tired of rehashing and rehashing the same old stuff with.

I am actually interested in sharing ideas that maybe haven't been discussed yet and/or adding some flesh to things being discussed that I believe deserve and alternate point of view

Thanks for your time.

Best wishes to everyone.

MG

This OP is a good example of why you come across as a troll. In fact, a more honest title for it would be “I’m Going To Troll You, let me explain how…”

When someone posts a response to you that you don’t like, you have a choice:

1. Respond appropriately
2. Ignore it
3. Post something that’s irrelevant to the topic and instead post something that you hope will push their buttons.

This thread was entirely unnecessary unless one is intent on trolling by taking the third option. If you wanted to reduce your posting time and avoid posting to what you see as something going nowhere, simply go with option 2, no posting time required. But no, you want the attention that you hope will come from taking option 3. What is particularly telling, is that you have started posting TTOC in response to posts that weren’t directed at you in the first place. You’re doing it in the middle of other people’s conversations. That’s not you saving time, that’s you proactively trolling and attempting to disrupt conversations and discussions. That’s yet more bad behaviour. Stop it, or I will report it.