Page 1 of 1

Susan Sontag and Interpreters

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 3:55 am
by Alphus and Omegus
It just occurred to me how particularly relevant Susan Sontag's 1964 essay "Against Interpretation" is to a certain brand of Mormonism and its seemingly lower-quality of aesthetic output:
By interpretation, I mean here a conscious act of the mind which illustrates a certain code, certain “rules” of interpretation. Directed to art, interpretation means plucking a set of elements (the X, the Y, the Z, and so forth) from the whole work. The task of interpretation is virtually one of translation. The interpreter says, Look, don’t you see that X is really— or, really means—A? That Y is really B? That Z is really C?

What situation could prompt this curious project for transforming a text? History gives us the materials for an answer. Interpretation first appears in the culture of late classical antiquity, when the power and credibility of myth had been broken by the “realistic” view of the world introduced by scientific enlightenment. Once the question that haunts post-mythic consciousness—that of the seemliness of religious symbols— had been asked, the ancient texts were, in their pristine form, no longer acceptable. Then interpretation was summoned, to reconcile the ancient texts to “modern” demands.

Thus, the Stoics, to accord with their view that the gods had to be moral, allegorized away the rude features of Zeus and his boisterous clan in Homer’s epics. What Homer really designated by the adultery of Zeus with Leto, they explained, was the union between power and wisdom. In the same vein, Philo of Alexandria interpreted the literal historical narratives of the Hebrew Bible as spiritual paradigms. The story of the exodus from Egypt, the wandering in the desert for forty years, and the entry into the promised land, said Philo, was really an allegory of the individual soul’s emancipation, tribulations, and final deliverance. Interpretation thus presupposes a discrepancy between the clear meaning of the text and the demands of (later) readers. It seeks to resolve that discrepancy.

The situation is that for some reason a text has become unacceptable; yet it cannot be discarded. Interpretation is a radical strategy for conserving an old text, which is thought too precious to repudiate, by revamping it. The interpreter, without actually erasing or rewriting the text, is altering it. But he can’t admit to doing this. He claims to be only making it intelligible, by disclosing its true meaning. However far the interpreters alter the text (another notorious example is the Rabbinic and Christian “spiritual” interpretations of the clearly erotic Song of Songs), they must claim to be reading off a sense that is already there.

Interpretation in our own time, however, is even more complex. For the contemporary zeal for the project of interpretation is often prompted not by piety toward the troublesome text (which may conceal an aggression), but by an open aggressiveness, an overt contempt for appearances. The old style of interpretation was insistent, but respectful; it erected another meaning on top of the literal one. The modern style of interpretation excavates, and as it excavates, destroys; it digs “behind” the text, to find a sub-text which is the true one.
Mopologetics destroys Mormonism in order to save it. This is why its positions will always be a minority viewpoint, albeit a very well-funded one. You cannot demand that science make room for certain favored irrational beliefs but not others. This is why most LDS people, and most religious people generally, either incline toward fundamentalism or toward liberal viewpoints that do not regard the traditional texts as actually true.

This epistemic problem is also an aesthetic one as well. Religious art that seeks to rationalize that which is inherently anti-rational is a corruption, a betrayal of the original intent.

Re: Susan Sontag and Interpreters

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 6:00 pm
by Kishkumen
This is very insightful, and that does not surprise me, given who the author is. Truth is: people simply do this as a matter of course with texts. It is not limited to religion. Misinterpretation, re-interpretation, and creative interpretation are what happens with texts much of the time.

Re: Susan Sontag and Interpreters

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 9:04 pm
by huckelberry
Alphus and Omegus wrote:
Tue Jul 29, 2025 3:55 am
It just occurred to me how particularly relevant Susan Sontag's 1964 essay "Against Interpretation" is to a certain brand of Mormonism and its seemingly lower-quality of aesthetic output:
By interpretation, I mean here a conscious act of the mind which illustrates a certain code, certain “rules” of interpretation. Directed to art, interpretation means plucking a set of elements (the X, the Y, the Z, and so forth) from the whole work. The task of interpretation is virtually one of translation. The interpreter says, Look, don’t you see that X is really— or, really means—A? That Y is really B? That Z is really C?

What situation could prompt this curious project for transforming a text? History gives us the materials for an answer. Interpretation first appears in the culture of late classical antiquity, when the power and credibility of myth had been broken by the “realistic” view of the world introduced by scientific enlightenment. Once the question that haunts post-mythic consciousness—that of the seemliness of religious symbols— had been asked, the ancient texts were, in their pristine form, no longer acceptable. Then interpretation was summoned, to reconcile the ancient texts to “modern” demands.

Thus, the Stoics, to accord with their view that the gods had to be moral, allegorized away the rude features of Zeus and his boisterous clan in Homer’s epics. What Homer really designated by the adultery of Zeus with Leto, they explained, was the union between power and wisdom. In the same vein, Philo of Alexandria interpreted the literal historical narratives of the Hebrew Bible as spiritual paradigms. The story of the exodus from Egypt, the wandering in the desert for forty years, and the entry into the promised land, said Philo, was really an allegory of the individual soul’s emancipation, tribulations, and final deliverance. Interpretation thus presupposes a discrepancy between the clear meaning of the text and the demands of (later) readers. It seeks to resolve that discrepancy.

The situation is that for some reason a text has become unacceptable; yet it cannot be discarded. Interpretation is a radical strategy for conserving an old text, which is thought too precious to repudiate, by revamping it. The interpreter, without actually erasing or rewriting the text, is altering it. But he can’t admit to doing this. He claims to be only making it intelligible, by disclosing its true meaning. However far the interpreters alter the text (another notorious example is the Rabbinic and Christian “spiritual” interpretations of the clearly erotic Song of Songs), they must claim to be reading off a sense that is already there.

Interpretation in our own time, however, is even more complex. For the contemporary zeal for the project of interpretation is often prompted not by piety toward the troublesome text (which may conceal an aggression), but by an open aggressiveness, an overt contempt for appearances. The old style of interpretation was insistent, but respectful; it erected another meaning on top of the literal one. The modern style of interpretation excavates, and as it excavates, destroys; it digs “behind” the text, to find a sub-text which is the true one.
Mopologetics destroys Mormonism in order to save it. This is why its positions will always be a minority viewpoint, albeit a very well-funded one. You cannot demand that science make room for certain favored irrational beliefs but not others. This is why most LDS people, and most religious people generally, either incline toward fundamentalism or toward liberal viewpoints that do not regard the traditional texts as actually true.

This epistemic problem is also an aesthetic one as well. Religious art that seeks to rationalize that which is inherently anti-rational is a corruption, a betrayal of the original intent.
I think Sontag is making a good point. It makes me think of people creating elaborate theories of what some Bob Dylan song really means paining both Bob and the song.
I am not following yor thought about apologetics. Perhaps I have a limited view of Mormon apologetics. I am unaware of much apologetic that would not be standard LDS understanding. The idea of Book of Mormon being inspired fiction and Abraham papyrus being only an inspiration jumping off for imaginative inspiration would be exceptions . Would those ideas which are foreign to Mormon believers in general be thought of as usual Mormon apologetics?

Perhaps you are exaggerating to make a point but I think there is a lot of well populated space between people thinking all scripture is literally true and those thinking the texts are not true. Sontag references Philo reading Exodus as a personal spiritual journey believers embark on. Of course it is that no matter how close or remote from actual historic events it is.

Re: Susan Sontag and Interpreters

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 10:17 pm
by Physics Guy
What Sontag says sounds insightful but also confused. People do reinterpret texts drastically while insisting that it’s still the same text, and this seems somehow bad. But just what is bad about it? If I read a bad book, but interpret it into a better book, I get a better book. What’s wrong with that?

I’m thinking that the problem is with people attaching value to a text apart from its meaning. In some ways that can be natural and reasonable, like wanting to have your grandmother’s own cookbook rather than just another copy of the same book she used. Where it can get dodgy is in telling other people to respect a text’s meaning for reasons other than the meaning itself.

Even that might sometimes be reasonable. If some heroic person wrote something then maybe we should all offer some respect for whatever they wrote, just because of who wrote it.

For me a line gets crossed, though, when someone tells me to respect a statement because of its source—or the source because of the statement—yet the statement isn’t really from that source, but from this other person’s reinterpretation.

It’s kind of like art and artists. As far as I’m concerned, you can paint your own version of a Picasso piece, and you’re allowed to like it. You’re even allowed to like it more because of how you think of it in relation to Picasso’s original. And on the other hand I’ll let you tell me that I should look more carefully at a painting, even though I don’t like it, because it’s a historically important painting by Picasso.

I just don’t want you getting me to stare at an ugly painting because it’s a Picasso, when it’s really just your own inaccurate imitation of a Picasso original. And I guess I also don’t want Picasso telling me that his grandmother was a historically important artist, because just look what an awesome painting she did back in the day, when he actually made that awesome painting himself.

Re: Susan Sontag and Interpreters

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:07 am
by Morley
Sontag wrote that piece early in her career and later kind of came to regret it. Ha! As she should have--the woman made her living writing essays that interpreted culture and art.

It's kind of funny that, as prolific of a critic as she was, if you only know one essay by Susan Sontag, it'll assuredly be this one--the one where she says art is better left uncritiqued.

Almost nothing is better left unexamined.

Re: Susan Sontag and Interpreters

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:51 am
by huckelberry
Morley wrote:
Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:07 am
Sontag wrote that piece early in her career and later kind of came to regret it. Ha! As she should have--the woman made her living writing essays that interpreted culture and art.

It's kind of funny that, as prolific of a critic as she was, if you only know one essay by Susan Sontag, it'll assuredly be this one--the one where she says art is better left uncritiqued.

Almost nothing is better left unexamined.
To an extent I understand Sontag as aiming at certain kinds of interpretation that subvert the art and experience instituting in place of understanding poses and limited ideas blocking the art. I would again propose as example numerous mumbling about the meaning of just like a rolling stone. Well the song is strong enough to survive the interpretive abuse.

I do not think this means art should be unexamined. Some art of modest strength can have influence and that asks examination. I might wonder on occasion about the doors The End. At least in 1967 it had outsize strength, how so?

Re: Susan Sontag and Interpreters

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 12:30 pm
by Kishkumen
Morley wrote:
Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:07 am
Sontag wrote that piece early in her career and later kind of came to regret it. Ha! As she should have--the woman made her living writing essays that interpreted culture and art.

It's kind of funny that, as prolific of a critic as she was, if you only know one essay by Susan Sontag, it'll assuredly be this one--the one where she says art is better left uncritiqued.

Almost nothing is better left unexamined.
Interesting, Morley. Thanks for the further light and knowledge on that. I still find her observations about interpretation to be insightful, as one would expect from a brilliant mind with beautiful writing skills, even though I do not agree with the purpose of the piece. Interpretation can be thought of as a violation of sorts, but it can also be seen as an activity that completes the text or the textual process.