Kara Cooney calls out Muhlestein and Gee on their Book of Abraham apologetics calling them liars.

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Kara Cooney calls out Muhlestein and Gee on their Book of Abraham apologetics calling them liars.

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Finally. Kara calls it like it is and these people need to be spoken to in adult clear language. They have been hiding behind their BYU-driven doctorates far to long and with Ritner gone it is nice to see her fill his spot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCGG1sL8BR4 eta....Mormonism starts at 34:00 :geek:
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Not only does Kara nail Gee and Muhlestein, the host who was a Mormon also nails the Rasmussens' ridiculous attempt at Bayesian calculus.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Mormons claim Egypt was founded after the flood in 2300 BC

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THE BIG LIE!
Book of Abraham Text, Chapter One wrote:
23 The land of Egypt being first [2300 BC] discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden;

24 When [2300 BC] this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.

25 Now the first [2300 BC] government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham, and it was after the manner of the government of Ham, which was patriarchal.

The Mormons are lying!

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Re: Kara Cooney calls out Muhlestein and Gee on their Book of Abraham apologetics calling them liers.

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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Sep 23, 2025 6:58 pm
Not only does Kara nail Gee and Muhlestein, the host who was a Mormon also nails the Rasmussens' ridiculous attempt at Bayesian calculus.
I can’t help but think of the clown image that DCP posts so often. They would be great at children’s parties.
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Mormons claim Egypt was founded after the flood in 2300 BC

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Egypt was founded some 400 years before Abraham:

LDS Church wrote:The Pearl of Great Price Student Manual

Pharoah, King of Egypt
Abraham 1:20–27. A Pharaoh in Egypt

Elder Bruce R. McConkie, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, wrote: “After the immersion of the earth in the waters of Noah came a day of new beginning. As in Adam’s day, the faithful lived under a theocratic system, and as in the days before the flood, those who chose to live after the manner of the world set up their own governments and their own ways of worship. The seed of Shem, Ham, and Japheth began to populate the earth, and it so continued for more than four hundred years, when Abraham, who received theocratic power from Melchizedek, went down into Egypt. There he found a descendant of Ham, reigning as Pharaoh, whose government was patterned after the patriarchal governments of old, but which was devoid of priesthood and revelation, and hence, as far as worship is concerned—a worship prescribed, mandated, and commanded by pharaoh—had turned to idolatry.’ (Abraham 1:20–27.)” (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, 660).

THAT IS A LIE!
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Shulem wrote:
Tue Sep 23, 2025 9:48 pm
Egypt was founded some 400 years before Abraham:

LDS Church wrote:The Pearl of Great Price Student Manual

Pharoah, King of Egypt
Abraham 1:20–27. A Pharaoh in Egypt

Elder Bruce R. McConkie, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, wrote: “After the immersion of the earth in the waters of Noah came a day of new beginning. As in Adam’s day, the faithful lived under a theocratic system, and as in the days before the flood, those who chose to live after the manner of the world set up their own governments and their own ways of worship. The seed of Shem, Ham, and Japheth began to populate the earth, and it so continued for more than four hundred years, when Abraham, who received theocratic power from Melchizedek, went down into Egypt. There he found a descendant of Ham, reigning as Pharaoh, whose government was patterned after the patriarchal governments of old, but which was devoid of priesthood and revelation, and hence, as far as worship is concerned—a worship prescribed, mandated, and commanded by pharaoh—had turned to idolatry.’ (Abraham 1:20–27.)” (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, 660).

THAT IS A LIE!
How do you think they really feel about lying?
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Rivendale wrote:
Tue Sep 23, 2025 9:59 pm
How do you think they really feel about lying?

Their conscience is seared with a hot iron! (1 Tim 4:2)
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Rivendale wrote:
Tue Sep 23, 2025 5:54 pm
They have been hiding behind their BYU-driven doctorates
Yes, those cowards have been hiding behind their degrees as if it gives them the right to re-create the origins of ancient Egypt to the likings of Joe Smith and his literalist ideas of biblical chronology as expressed in his revelations and teachings. Mormons in general are a stupid people.
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Rivendale wrote:
Tue Sep 23, 2025 5:54 pm
...these people need to be spoken to in adult clear language.
The Mormons are brainwashed to the point that members are like children being led by corrupt scholars and evil minded leaders who don't give a damn about the truth. The leaders of the Church don't give two-bits that Egypt predates the false tale expressed by Smith in his retarded Book of Abraham. They don't care! They want the members to remain ignorant and in denial so long as they pay tithing and raise their hands like Nazis swearing allegiance to their party prophet. John Gee is a deranged son of a bitch -- I hate him.

To hell with the Mormons and their Goddamn church. If I lived in Salt Lake City, I would picket out front of Temple Square! I would dare those assholes to come out and confront me. There would be hell to pay. But I don't live there, so that's that.

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Being a Mormon is like never graduating from 6th grade. Rfm.....Muhlestein knows; he has to know. And yet him and his acolytes suit up and walk around in a pious strut. It is almost comical.
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