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DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:37 pm
by drumdude
DCP recently posted an article regurgitating his friend Ugo Prego’s ideas:
https://latterdaysaintmag.com/dna-and-t ... rspective/
He mainly appeals to Ugo’s authority. Why he doesn’t appeal to Simon Southerton’s authority instead is a mystery.
The main argument is that one’s genes quickly get diluted. So Nephi and his friends intermarried with the Native Americans, and quickly their genes were lost in the sauce.
How could prophets have been so misled?
Kimball definitively stated in 1971, "The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians ...." and, "the Lamanites number about sixty million; they are in all of the states of America from Tierra del Fuego all the way up to Point Barrows, and they are in nearly all the islands of the sea from Hawaii south to southern New Zealand."
I’m thankful we have a modern prophet on the earth, Daniel C Peterson.
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:43 pm
by Shulem
drumdude wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:37 pm
I’m thankful we have a modern prophet on the earth, Daniel C Peterson.
Peterson is a retard -- a dope. He has spent his entire life conditioning himself to think within the bounds of what he thinks the Lord has set and the Church is true no matter what. Consequently, he's not capable of higher reasoning because he's rejected the idea that truths may actually be outside the bounds of Mormonism. He's forever stuck and will live his life to the end as a retarded Mormon. He does not use his entire brain.
So, in advance:
RIP Dan.
You did it to yourself because that's what you wanted!
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:47 pm
by drumdude
I beg to differ. Without DCP we wouldn’t know that the events of the Book of Mormon took place in an area roughly the size of a tennis court. I’m looking forward to the Daniel Peterson translation of the Book of Mormon which removes the battles between millions of Laminates and Nephites. These were of course impossible in the limited geography model.
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 4:23 pm
by Shulem
drumdude wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:47 pm
I beg to differ. Without DCP we wouldn’t know that the events of the Book of Mormon took place in an area roughly the size of a tennis court. I’m looking forward to the Daniel Peterson translation of the Book of Mormon which removes the battles between millions of Laminates and Nephites. These were of course impossible in the limited geography model.
The absence of archeological evidence and lack of proof of what's described in the Book of Mormon over the course of a thousand years is all anyone with half a brain need know -- the Book of Mormon is total BS. Therefore, I figure Peterson has about 1/4 of a brain. The Mormons will gladly muck your mind up with their apologetic nonsense.
Can we at least agree on that?
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2025 7:25 pm
by malkie
drumdude wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:47 pm
I beg to differ. Without DCP we wouldn’t know that the events of the Book of Mormon took place in an area roughly the size of a tennis court. I’m looking forward to the Daniel Peterson translation of the Book of Mormon which removes the battles between millions of Laminates and Nephites. These were of course impossible in the limited geography model.
No need to
remove the battles: simply redefine them as doubles matches!
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:20 am
by Tom
drumdude wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:37 pm
DCP recently posted an article regurgitating his friend Ugo Prego’s ideas:
https://latterdaysaintmag.com/dna-and-t ... rspective/
He mainly appeals to Ugo’s authority. Why he doesn’t appeal to Simon Southerton’s authority instead is a mystery.
The main argument is that one’s genes quickly get diluted. So Nephi and his friends intermarried with the Native Americans, and quickly their genes were lost in the sauce.
How could prophets have been so misled?
Kimball definitively stated in 1971, "The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians ...." and, "the Lamanites number about sixty million; they are in all of the states of America from Tierra del Fuego all the way up to Point Barrows, and they are in nearly all the islands of the sea from Hawaii south to southern New Zealand."
I’m thankful we have a modern prophet on the earth, Daniel C Peterson.
It’s curious that Antonio Torroni would agree to write a blurb, however narrow in its scope, for the book.
DCP wrote: Full disclosure: It was only after writing the column above that I noticed the book’s dedicatory page. What I’ve written here wasn’t affected by what I read there.
Apparently, the book is dedicated, at least in part, to the Proprietor. I wonder what the page says.
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:52 am
by Gadianton
Those like MG and DCP, Midge, and most of the apologists were unlikely ever Chapel Mormons. It's possible, but unlikely. I do think, contrary to what many here would want to believe, that Kiwi57 is legitimately a Chapel Mormon wearing Internet Mormon clothing. Even given his bombastic behavior I'd have a much easier time getting along with him than the others because he knows the gospel. It's something we Chapel Mormons can sense in others.
It's not just throwing the prophet Kimball under the bus. My dad was an ardent member missionary, and do you know how many descendants of the Lamanites he revealed their heritage to? And suddenly, that's "inconvenient"? Oh because science. Dan doesn't even believe in science!
My parents participated in the Lamanite Generation -- what would you call it? A play or a pageant or a production or what? I have no idea. I was very young. I don't even recall what my parents did there. One of the most distinct memories of my life occurred there, which I don't wish to discuss openly, and maybe because of that I remember the whole thing much better. I remember being in the seats watching rehearsals over and over again. So I knew the main song. In fact, even now I can anticipate the lyrics and point to spots that differ between the recorded version and the live production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ8CAYjAzow
This really happened. It wasn't just something Kimball believed, it was hugely ingrained in Mormon culture. To tell me that this was some non-material interpretation by a few misguided members is ridiculous. This was fully part of what it meant to be a Chapel Mormon, and anyone who denies it denies that they were ever really Mormon.
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:55 am
by Dr. Shades
drumdude wrote: ↑Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:37 pm
The main argument is that one’s genes quickly get diluted. So Nephi and his friends intermarried with the Native Americans, and quickly their genes were lost in the sauce.
Simon Southerton pointed out that Neandertal DNA is easily detected in modern populations, even though the last of them died out 35,000 years ago. But Ugo Perego would have us believe that Semitic DNA somehow completely vanished in Native American populations after a mere 1,600 years.
Who would've thought?
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2025 1:08 am
by drumdude
Joseph Smith embraced a popular science view from his day. Similar to someone in modern times believing that we only use 10 percent of our brains, which has been recently and thoroughly debunked.
A Star in the West; or, A Humble Attempt to Discover the Long-Lost Ten Tribes of Israel (1816) by Elias Boudinot. A former U.S. congressman, Boudinot's work built on earlier theories, such as those of James Adair, by citing customs and linguistic similarities as proof of a connection between Native Americans and the Lost Tribes.
The American Indians Being the Descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel (1837) by Mordecai Manuel Noah. A prominent American diplomat and journalist, Noah was also a supporter of the theory.
View of the Hebrews: Or the Tribes of Israel in America (1823) by Ethan Smith. This book is one of the most well-known examples of the theory. Ethan Smith, a Congregationalist minister, argued that the Native Americans were the descendants of the Lost Tribes. He pointed to similarities in customs, traditions, and language as evidence. The book's content is widely noted for its striking parallels with the Book of Mormon, which was published just seven years later.
Joseph Smith, ironically, probably thought he was on pretty safe ground preaching this common belief.
If Joseph Smith had said we only use 10 percent of our brains, you would see DCP jumping through the same hoops to make it “true.” Probably re-defining brain, percent, and “use” to make his case. And convincing those who really are only using 10 percent of theirs.
Re: DCP throws the prophet Kimball under the bus
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2025 2:01 am
by malkie
Gadianton wrote: ↑Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:52 am
Those like MG and DCP, Midge, and most of the apologists were unlikely ever Chapel Mormons. It's possible, but unlikely. I do think, contrary to what many here would want to believe, that Kiwi57 is legitimately a Chapel Mormon wearing Internet Mormon clothing. Even given his bombastic behavior I'd have a much easier time getting along with him than the others because he knows the gospel. It's something we Chapel Mormons can sense in others.
It's not just throwing the prophet Kimball under the bus. My dad was an ardent member missionary, and do you know how many descendants of the Lamanites he revealed their heritage to? And suddenly, that's "inconvenient"? Oh because science. Dan doesn't even believe in science!
My parents participated in the Lamanite Generation -- what would you call it? A play or a pageant or a production or what? I have no idea. I was very young. I don't even recall what my parents did there. One of the most distinct memories of my life occurred there, which I don't wish to discuss openly, and maybe because of that I remember the whole thing much better. I remember being in the seats watching rehearsals over and over again. So I knew the main song. In fact, even now I can anticipate the lyrics and point to spots that differ between the recorded version and the live production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ8CAYjAzow
This really happened. It wasn't just something Kimball believed, it was hugely ingrained in Mormon culture. To tell me that this was some non-material interpretation by a few misguided members is ridiculous. This was fully part of what it meant to be a Chapel Mormon, and anyone who denies it denies that they were ever really Mormon.
When I was a branch president in Scotland, the
Lamanite Generation toured the country. I believe that every ward and branch at some point put on the show, including songs and dancing. Our branch was no exception. As far as I know, the active members were all 100% convinced that we were retelling, in musical form, the history of the original inhabitants of the Americas, because that is what we were told we were doing.
Around that time, a BYU troupe called
Lamanite Generation was touring the world. I still remember some of the words and music to "Go My Son", and other songs. I may even still have some of the sheet music somewhere.