D&C 127:2

[Limnor]

Come to think of it, the Cincinnati episode resulted in fines and apologies—so if we’re applying the sports analogy consistently, should we expect the Book of Mormon to issue an apology too for calling every other church corrupt?

[MG 2.0]

Well folks, you can think what you want to think and reinterpret what I'm saying to twist my words but I've been rather clear in what I've already said. I suppose I will have to leave it to others to determine my intent and meaning behind my words.

I was reading a news clip about the recent game BYU played in Cincinnati. Apparently the opposing team's fans were shouting "F the Mormons" over and over. The BYU fans on the other hand took it on the chin and were respectful and courteous their accusers. BYU recently played in Texas. Those in attendance from the opposing team had nothing but good to say about the decency of the BYU fans in attendance.

Why do I say this? Because this same respect for others also holds true in missionary work. My previous posts on this thread simply state this as being fact.

'Opponents' can take it or leave it. Just as in the two sporting events I've mentioned there will always be detractors of the church and all that it stands for. The church and its members will always be ridiculed for their beliefs. But the truth is, we as members are to turn the other cheek and try to treat others with respect and not criticize others for doing what they believe is right/true.

I can't change any hearts and minds here. I get that. It really doesn't matter what I say or do. Misinterpreted words and twisting of meaning are the common lot that I am subject to.

We (members of the church) are NOT out to criticize the beliefs of others but to only offer that which we believe to be true. Being faulted for that is a bit unreasonable in my opinion. As I said, agency reigns supreme. We know that. That's why we can't and never would force our beliefs on others.

But carry on...

Regards,
MG

Well, MG, it looks to me as if you didn't read others' comments for understanding, but solely to look for ways to portray yourself as misunderstood and ill done to. Yes, sometimes you've been clear, but at other times it's necessary to ask you to clarify what you're saying because today's clear statement contradicts yesterday's clear statement. If you see that as "[m]isinterpreted words and twisting of meaning" then perhaps you need to be more consistent.
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"Because this same respect for others also holds true in missionary work. My previous posts on this thread simply state this as being fact."

Your "fact" has been clearly refuted by several posters, based on your own statements about criticism, and how Mormon missionaries and ordinary members talk about others' beliefs. Your insistence on restating it as a fact is one example of why some find it difficult to interact with you.
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"We (members of the church) are NOT out to criticize the beliefs of others but to only offer that which we believe to be true."

You (members of the church) implicitly, and often explicitly, criticize the beliefs of others by the way in which you "offer" that which you believe to be true. The missionary lessons include descriptions of how all other religions went astray and became wicked - including the "whore of all the earth" rhetoric, the claim about other churches that "all their professors are corrupt", etc. Mormons claim they are the only ones in whom god (supposedly the same god as Christians believe in) is well pleased. You know this at least as well as I do.

I'm happy to leave it there, malkie. We are on different sides of a fairly wide divide.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

Well folks, you can think what you want to think and reinterpret what I'm saying to twist my words but I've been rather clear in what I've already said. I suppose I will have to leave it to others to determine my intent and meaning behind my words.

I was reading a news clip about the recent game BYU played in Cincinnati. Apparently the opposing team's fans were shouting "F the Mormons" over and over. The BYU fans on the other hand took it on the chin and were respectful and courteous their accusers. BYU recently played in Texas. Those in attendance from the opposing team had nothing but good to say about the decency of the BYU fans in attendance.

Why do I say this? Because this same respect for others also holds true in missionary work. My previous posts on this thread simply state this as being fact.

'Opponents' can take it or leave it. Just as in the two sporting events I've mentioned there will always be detractors of the church and all that it stands for. The church and its members will always be ridiculed for their beliefs. But the truth is, we as members are to turn the other cheek and try to treat others with respect and not criticize others for doing what they believe is right/true.

I can't change any hearts and minds here. I get that. It really doesn't matter what I say or do. Misinterpreted words and twisting of meaning are the common lot that I am subject to.

We (members of the church) are NOT out to criticize the beliefs of others but to only offer that which we believe to be true. Being faulted for that is a bit unreasonable in my opinion. As I said, agency reigns supreme. We know that. That's why we can't and never would force our beliefs on others.

But carry on...

Regards,
MG

Well, MG, it looks to me as if you didn't read others' comments for understanding, but solely to look for ways to portray yourself as misunderstood and ill done to. Yes, sometimes you've been clear, but at other times it's necessary to ask you to clarify what you're saying because today's clear statement contradicts yesterday's clear statement. If you see that as "[m]isinterpreted words and twisting of meaning" then perhaps you need to be more consistent.
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"Because this same respect for others also holds true in missionary work. My previous posts on this thread simply state this as being fact."

Your "fact" has been clearly refuted by several posters, based on your own statements about criticism, and how Mormon missionaries and ordinary members talk about others' beliefs. Your insistence on restating it as a fact is one example of why some find it difficult to interact with you.
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"We (members of the church) are NOT out to criticize the beliefs of others but to only offer that which we believe to be true."

You (members of the church) implicitly, and often explicitly, criticize the beliefs of others by the way in which you "offer" that which you believe to be true. The missionary lessons include descriptions of how all other religions went astray and became wicked - including the "whore of all the earth" rhetoric, the claim about other churches that "all their professors are corrupt", etc. Mormons claim they are the only ones in whom god (supposedly the same god as Christians believe in) is well pleased. You know this at least as well as I do.

MG cannot admit error. He cannot ever be wrong. He will just bow out with a final passive aggressive comment that amounts to “I’m right, you’re wrong <sticks fingers in ears and repeats>”

[I Have Questions]

Come to think of it, the Cincinnati episode resulted in fines and apologies—so if we’re applying the sports analogy consistently, should we expect the Book of Mormon to issue an apology too for calling every other church corrupt?

To be fair the church apologised for its involvement in pushing and funding the Prop 8 battle. Hasn’t it?

[I Have Questions]

Well folks, you can think what you want to think and reinterpret what I'm saying to twist my words but I've been rather clear in what I've already said. I suppose I will have to leave it to others to determine my intent and meaning behind my words.

I was reading a news clip about the recent game BYU played in Cincinnati. Apparently the opposing team's fans were shouting "F the Mormons" over and over. The BYU fans on the other hand took it on the chin and were respectful and courteous their accusers. BYU recently played in Texas. Those in attendance from the opposing team had nothing but good to say about the decency of the BYU fans in attendance.

Why do I say this? Because this same respect for others also holds true in missionary work. My previous posts on this thread simply state this as being fact.

I’m old enough to remember when a BYU player took off his helmet to swing it at someone, so the sports analogy doesn’t really land.

And polite critique is still critique—which is fine, because it’s okay to critique ideas we don’t agree with.

But I’ll genuinely ask: where exactly were your words twisted?

Nobody twisted his words. He’s just finding it difficult to own the implications of what his says.

[MG 2.0]

Come to think of it, the Cincinnati episode resulted in fines and apologies—so if we’re applying the sports analogy consistently, should we expect the Book of Mormon to issue an apology too for calling every other church corrupt?

As I've gone into some detail in on another thread, I think that you are conflating two different categories. That is why I mentioned that it looks like you've committed a category error. You are comparing sports fans behavior vs. scripture. One involves civic responsibility, and the other involves religious truth claims.

As I said on that other thread, I think that is about all I have to say on that subject.

Regards,
MG

[Limnor]

Well no I’m comparing standards of accountability but no worries.

[MG 2.0]

Well no I’m comparing standards of accountability but no worries.

Thanks for the conversation.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Come to think of it, the Cincinnati episode resulted in fines and apologies—so if we’re applying the sports analogy consistently, should we expect the Book of Mormon to issue an apology too for calling every other church corrupt?

To be fair the church apologised for its involvement in pushing and funding the Prop 8 battle. Hasn’t it?

[I Have Questions]

Come to think of it, the Cincinnati episode resulted in fines and apologies—so if we’re applying the sports analogy consistently, should we expect the Book of Mormon to issue an apology too for calling every other church corrupt?

As I've gone into some detail in on another thread, I think that you are conflating two different categories. That is why I mentioned that it looks like you've committed a category error. You are comparing sports fans behavior vs. scripture. One involves civic responsibility, and the other involves religious truth claims.

Why doesn’t the word of God (scripture) have the same threshold for public decorum and politeness that you say sports fans have? Why are you holding God and his Prophets to a lower standard of behaviour than sports fans?