After two decades, the church goes after Mormon Stories

[I Have Questions]

JD should consider changing his business name to “Latter-day Saint Stories”. On the basis that FAIRMormon has been allowed to use the name FAIRLatter-day Saints. That way, if the Church goes after JD, they have to go after FAIR et al.

[Doctor Steuss]

The Church can use this moment to clarify its message rather than view it only as a loss. More people out in the mission field and also along the Wasatch Front may have more questions which may result in asking Mormon friends or missionaries in for a glass of lemonade, or should I say, hot cocoa (they can have their coffee). It's getting cold here in Utah.

And if they win against Dehlin that will be a net gain I would think. Publicity goes both ways.

Regards,
MG

The Brighamites using lawfare to assert ownership of a word that their brand of Mormonism actively abandoned is certainly one way to clarify the message of the corporation.

[MG 2.0]

The Church can use this moment to clarify its message rather than view it only as a loss. More people out in the mission field and also along the Wasatch Front may have more questions which may result in asking Mormon friends or missionaries in for a glass of lemonade, or should I say, hot cocoa (they can have their coffee). It's getting cold here in Utah.

And if they win against Dehlin that will be a net gain I would think. Publicity goes both ways.

Regards,
MG

The Brighamites using lawfare to assert ownership of a word that their brand of Mormonism actively abandoned is certainly one way to clarify the message of the corporation.

My point was that publicity is publicity. It gives a starting point for members and missionaries to 'get in the door', so to speak, and talk with others about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and share their reasons for the belief/faith that is within them.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

The Brighamites using lawfare to assert ownership of a word that their brand of Mormonism actively abandoned is certainly one way to clarify the message of the corporation.

My point was that publicity is publicity. It gives a starting point for members and missionaries to 'get in the door', so to speak, and talk with others about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and share their reasons for the belief/faith that is within them.

Regards,
MG

But Mormon Stories was/is publicity. Ongoing publicity. It gave a starting point for members and missionaries to 'get in the door'. You are arguing against the Church seeking to distance itself from a source of publicity that was utilising a term that the Church seeks to distance itself from. The nett effect of this action will be to make Mormon Stories brand itself so as to be more likely to be confused as a Church entity, not less. Latter-day Saint Stories, or Saints Stories for example. The Church is either shooting itself in the foot on this, or it really wants to utilise JD's audience in a halo effect. You don't seem to understand Doctor Steuss's point, and you don't seem to understand the actual implications of what the Church is doing.

[Kishkumen]

Four things to consider:

Trademark and Brand Protection (historical argument/precedent)
Preventing Misrepresentation (public assumptions of relationship)
Consistency With Policy (protecting the good name of the church)
Demonstrable Harm (mitigating losses)

Regards,
MG

I did consider these things, MG. It still stinks. I hope they lose. No one owns the word Mormon.

[Shulem]

Four things to consider:

Trademark and Brand Protection (historical argument/precedent)
Preventing Misrepresentation (public assumptions of relationship)
Consistency With Policy (protecting the good name of the church)
Demonstrable Harm (mitigating losses)

Regards,
MG

I did consider these things, MG. It still stinks. I hope they lose. No one owns the word Mormon.

You are correct, Kish. The Church's position and ambition to secure the name "Mormon" for themselves is DOA and will never prevail in this world which is planet earth. The Church may make noise and gain some headway in the USA as it spends millions using legal resources but the rest of the world combined, over 100 countries, will not stand for it. The name "Mormon" is a general term and the world will use it however and whenever. If the Church wants a fight, it will get it and it will be beaten badly -- the world will kick its sorry ass and punish the Church.

So, if the Church wants a fight, the world (billions) will unite against it and put it in its place; not just in the USA but everywhere.

The Church will lose this fight, absolutely. They are in the wrong. The whole thing is disgusting. I really, really, hate the Church.

[drumdude]

The whole thing is disgusting. I really, really, hate the Church.

We're living in an age where the wealthy and powerful are swinging their "priesthood" around, screwing the regular citizens like you and me.

It's the 1800s all over again. Corrupt bought politicians in the pockets of billionaires. "Church broke" politicians in the pocket of Big Religion.

And they will try to gaslight the public into thinking the mom and pop little guys like Mormon Stories are the real problem.

Americans need to wake up and start tearing down all this concentrated wealth and power if they want to restore power to the regular voter. Tax the churches. Campaign finance limits. Break the corporate monopolies. It's all simple stuff, and it only sounds radical because the powerful have been indoctrinating us for decades.

[MG 2.0]

The whole thing is disgusting. I really, really, hate the Church.

We're living in an age where the wealthy and powerful are swinging their "priesthood" around, screwing the regular citizens like you and me.

It's the 1800s all over again. Corrupt bought politicians in the pockets of billionaires. "Church broke" politicians in the pocket of Big Religion.

And they will try to gaslight the public into thinking the mom and pop little guys like Mormon Stories are the real problem.

Americans need to wake up and start tearing down all this concentrated wealth and power if they want to restore power to the regular voter. Tax the churches. Campaign finance limits. Break the corporate monopolies. It's all simple stuff, and it only sounds radical because the powerful have been indoctrinating us for decades.

The visibility and audience size give Mormon Stories significant cultural influence, so the power imbalance is not as simple as a lone, powerless individual against a faceless corporation. Remember, the church is a voluntary religious association that members can freely support or leave. Many here have done just that. The fact that Dehlin is profiting monetarily and at the same time leading people out of the church seems like good reason for the church to challenge him within the legal spectrum/arena of influence.

I don't think anyone here would argue that the LDS Church wouldn't like to see Mormon Stories disappear.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

We're living in an age where the wealthy and powerful are swinging their "priesthood" around, screwing the regular citizens like you and me.

It's the 1800s all over again. Corrupt bought politicians in the pockets of billionaires. "Church broke" politicians in the pocket of Big Religion.

And they will try to gaslight the public into thinking the mom and pop little guys like Mormon Stories are the real problem.

Americans need to wake up and start tearing down all this concentrated wealth and power if they want to restore power to the regular voter. Tax the churches. Campaign finance limits. Break the corporate monopolies. It's all simple stuff, and it only sounds radical because the powerful have been indoctrinating us for decades.

The visibility and audience size give Mormon Stories significant cultural influence, so the power imbalance is not as simple as a lone, powerless individual against a faceless corporation. Remember, the church is a voluntary religious association that members can freely support or leave. Many here have done just that. The fact that Dehlin is profiting monetarily and at the same time leading people out of the church seems like good reason for the church to challenge him within the legal spectrum/arena of influence.

I don't think anyone here would argue that the LDS Church wouldn't like to see Mormon Stories disappear.

Regards,
MG

Can you point to how Dehlin goes about leading active and believing Mormons out of the Church? How many have left the Church as a result of Dehlin? From my understanding the Church aren’t seeking to shut Dehlin down, they just want to protect the word “Mormon” for some reason.

[drumdude]

We're living in an age where the wealthy and powerful are swinging their "priesthood" around, screwing the regular citizens like you and me.

It's the 1800s all over again. Corrupt bought politicians in the pockets of billionaires. "Church broke" politicians in the pocket of Big Religion.

And they will try to gaslight the public into thinking the mom and pop little guys like Mormon Stories are the real problem.

Americans need to wake up and start tearing down all this concentrated wealth and power if they want to restore power to the regular voter. Tax the churches. Campaign finance limits. Break the corporate monopolies. It's all simple stuff, and it only sounds radical because the powerful have been indoctrinating us for decades.

The visibility and audience size give Mormon Stories significant cultural influence, so the power imbalance is not as simple as a lone, powerless individual against a faceless corporation. Remember, the church is a voluntary religious association that members can freely support or leave. Many here have done just that. The fact that Dehlin is profiting monetarily and at the same time leading people out of the church seems like good reason for the church to challenge him within the legal spectrum/arena of influence.

I don't think anyone here would argue that the LDS Church wouldn't like to see Mormon Stories disappear.

Regards,
MG

He makes far less than most of the LDS leaders. Lets not pretend the LDS leaders take a vow of poverty. They're shuttled around in fancy cars and jets, much like Jesus and his real apostles wouldn't be.