Which is more bigoted, chanting “F the Mormons”

[MG 2.0]

Calling all criticism “the world hating Mormons” is a huge stretch—disagreement isn’t persecution.

It’s hard not to notice what just happened: the discussion went from discussing a specific inconsistency in your argument to persecution.

Using the 'F Word' is visceral and hateful reaction. I can't see that those who would profess religiosity would persecute the Saints. That is what they were doing.

Regards,
MG

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Calling all criticism “the world hating Mormons” is a huge stretch—disagreement isn’t persecution.

It’s hard not to notice what just happened: the discussion went from discussing a specific inconsistency in your argument to persecution.

I can't see that those who would profess religiosity would persecute the Saints. That is what they were doing.

Fibber,

I can't comprehend that those who that profess religiosity would persecute, stalk, defame and harass a dying man and his family. But hey, that's just me. Carry on Fibber.

[Limnor]

Calling all criticism “the world hating Mormons” is a huge stretch—disagreement isn’t persecution.

It’s hard not to notice what just happened: the discussion went from discussing a specific inconsistency in your argument to persecution.

Using the 'F Word' is visceral and hateful reaction. I can't see that those who would profess religiosity would persecute the Saints. That is what they were doing.

Regards,
MG

Have you never been to a college football game?

I’d also note that you are shifting from the discussion on the board to something completely different.

Edited to add: Naw I’ll retract that. This is fine.

[MG 2.0]

Using the 'F Word' is visceral and hateful reaction. I can't see that those who would profess religiosity would persecute the Saints. That is what they were doing.

Regards,
MG

I’d also note that you are shifting from the discussion on the board to something completely different.

I will happily bow out. Carry on with this most important topic.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Calling all criticism “the world hating Mormons” is a huge stretch—disagreement isn’t persecution.

It’s hard not to notice what just happened: the discussion went from discussing a specific inconsistency in your argument to persecution.

Heavens to Betsy, do you think people don’t know what you are doing?

It's been known for a while.

MG, I know you're still upset about "things"...

His 'upsetness' is part of the troll act.

It's one of his techniques to avoid taking responsibility for what he posts. So is projection, and of course attacking his stereotype of the 'nonbelieving' other.

...Trolls tend to view other people as objects rather than individuals... [Making] it difficult for them to accept responsibility for their words...

https://www.truzzer.com/the-psychology- ... -comments/

[Limnor]

Calling all criticism “the world hating Mormons” is a huge stretch—disagreement isn’t persecution.

It’s hard not to notice what just happened: the discussion went from discussing a specific inconsistency in your argument to persecution.

Heavens to Betsy, do you think people don’t know what you are doing?

It's been known for a while.

His 'upsetness' is part of the troll act.

It's one of his techniques to avoid taking responsibility for what he posts. So is projection, and of course attacking his stereotype of the 'nonbelieving' other.

...Trolls tend to view other people as objects rather than individuals... [Making] it difficult for them to accept responsibility for their words...

https://www.truzzer.com/the-psychology- ... -comments/

Fair assessment.

[MG 2.0]

It's been known for a while.

It's one of his techniques to avoid taking responsibility for what he posts. So is projection, and of course attacking his stereotype of the 'nonbelieving' other.

Fair assessment.

If you and Marcus are on the same page we’re doomed! I will have to be much more circumspect with you from here on out. There are really very few people around here I can trust to be honest rather than manipulative anymore.

I initially thought more of you.

That you can’t see Marcus for what she is says a lot. Birds of a feather I suppose. Too bad.

Regards,
MG

[Limnor]

Fair assessment.

If you and Marcus are on the same page we’re doomed! I will have to be much more circumspect with you from here on out. There are really very few people around here I can trust to be honest rather than manipulative anymore.

I initially thought more of you.

That you can’t see Marcus for what she is says a lot. Birds of a feather I suppose. Too bad.

Regards,
MG

I’m afraid your opinion of who to trust matters very little to me. And as for “manipulative”… well, let’s just say it’s a bold choice of vocabulary.

[MG 2.0]

If you and Marcus are on the same page we’re doomed! I will have to be much more circumspect with you from here on out. There are really very few people around here I can trust to be honest rather than manipulative anymore.

I initially thought more of you.

That you can’t see Marcus for what she is says a lot. Birds of a feather I suppose. Too bad.

Regards,
MG

I’m afraid your opinion of who to trust matters very little to me. And as for “manipulative”… well, let’s just say it’s a bold choice of vocabulary.

And honestly, I have very little concern for who you do trust. But honestly, it was a bit unexpected. You came across as a straight shooter.

I’m only disappointed.

If you trust the judgement of Marcus in this instance, that tells me a lot. And no, I will not go back and pull up all the examples where she has been dishonest and manipulative. Folks can go back, if they want to, and see for themselves.

I’m done with that shenanigans. And anymore it doesn’t matter to me what she says. I don’t take her seriously. Along with a few others.

Just as an add-on, I would hazard a guess that there would more than likely be some here that would (maybe were?) have felt the urge to join in with the idiots in Cincinnati shouting an explicit obscenity towards decent and good people while watching the recent BYU game if they’d been in the stands.

Notice how calm and collected the BYU fans and players were in response to the idiocy of the crowd?

Regards,
MG

[Limnor]

I’m afraid your opinion of who to trust matters very little to me. And as for “manipulative”… well, let’s just say it’s a bold choice of vocabulary.

And honestly, I have very little concern for who you do trust. But honestly, it was a bit unexpected. You came across as a straight shooter.

I’m only disappointed.

If you trust the judgement of Marcus in this instance, that tells me a lot. And no, I will not go back and pull up all the examples where she has been dishonest and manipulative. Folks can go back, if they want to, and see for themselves.

I’m done with that shenanigans. And anymore it doesn’t matter to me what she says. I don’t take her seriously. Along with a few others.

Just as an add-on, I would hazard a guess that there would more than likely be some here that would (maybe were?) have felt the urge to join in with the idiots in Cincinnati shouting an explicit obscenity towards decent and good people while watching the recent BYU game if they’d been in the stands.

Notice how calm and collected the BYU fans and players were in response to the idiocy of the crowd?

Regards,
MG

Thank you for the response. I’m noticing, though, that the conversation has steadily moved away from the actual points we were discussing and into assessments of who is trustworthy, who is manipulative, and now speculation about which posters might join unruly sports crowds. That’s quite a shift from where we started.

For what it’s worth, Marcus’s assessment hasn’t seemed out of step to me; if anything, several of us have been disappointed—not because of allegiance to anyone’s “side,” but because the less you address the actual arguments, the more you reinforce exactly what people are observing.

Does “straight-shooter” include making observations you don’t agree with, or does it only apply until the moment someone raises a point you’d rather not address? The more you move away from the actual issues into disappointment, labels, and imagined stadium crowds, the more it looks like you’re avoiding the substance of the discussion.