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Sat May 30, 2026 5:49 pm
Still no mention of the censorship of Deane. But the Afore says that he is nonetheless "very pleased" with the way that the conference has been going so far--he's even boasting that they are going to need 2 whole book-length volumes in order to publish the "proceedings"! Maybe Deane could be invited to publish his paper in *that* volume?
It will be interesting to see if Deane’s paper is included in the published volumes. Or will the Ecclesiastical Clearance Office (ECO) dictate to the Interpreter Foundation what content the Foundation can publish?

Have any Latter-day Saint apologists publicly voiced concerns about the ECO’s apparent role here or the Interpreter Foundation’s apparent decision to capitulate to the ECO by excluding Deane from presenting? This seems to be a watershed moment in the Interpreter Foundation’s history. Will the Foundation’s president say anything about it? (I do not know if he has reached out to Deane.) Or has the ECO instructed the Foundation’s president to be silent?
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These tales he tells are hilarious.
Marcus,

The Afore's tales really are manna from heaven. Reading the delusional chronicles of a raging narcissist like the Afore is an absolute, delicious treat. Who can resist the unintentional comedy? A few of my favorites are when we have God acting as his personal wake-up call, an encounter with learning the German language that somehow left him with a permanent accent, and the deeply unsettling '"taking his time with his hands" in a dark-basement groping incident. And who could forget his groundbreaking foray into the paranormal, where the Afore was utterly stunned to discover he possesses the mystical gift of dowsing, a revelation triggered by the profound, supernatural movement of a wire coat hanger. Then there's the action movie Guatemalan river rescue, a teenage traffic ticket magically dismissed by a sympathetic Mormon judge, and that time he almost dumped a bowl of steaming hot goulash onto Bill Maher’s head. And, let's not forget his academic brilliance so staggering his professor excused him from the final exam. And let’s not overlook his agonizing brush with compassion when he won a high school student body election and felt a sudden, confusing wave of conflict while savoring the literal tears of his vanquished opponent. These tales are pure comedy gold, and I fervently pray the Afore never stops.
Another inspiring tale is one that friends of mine refer to as the Afore’s “Galileo Event.” It’s told here. I can envision him muttering under his breath E pur si muove while being forced by a ruthless BYU administrator to write a letter of recantation to the Salt Lake Tribune.

Incidentally, I knew the “taskmaster” administrator in the story. I intend to forward the Afore’s tale to the administrator’s family members. They’ll probably find it amusing.

ETA: here is the “Galileo Event” tale (plus a few other stories):
I first met President Holland — to me, he has always been “President Holland,” from the beginning — when I was a new member of the faculty at Brigham Young University. And it wasn’t a very auspicious start.

I had been invited to speak to a small group called “Students for Human Rights,” or something to that effect, about human rights in the Middle East. So, for about forty-five of the fifty minutes allotted to me, I discussed the sorry state of human rights across the region, which continues to be sorry pretty much to this day. At the end, I devoted roughly five minutes to the situation in Israel at the time, saying that Israel had a far better record than did the countries surrounding it, but that it was still definitely not perfect.

Brigham Young University’s Jerusalem Center for Near Eastern Studies was under construction at the time and was still the focus of loud controversy in Israel and even beyond, because of fears that it wasn’t really going to be an academic institution but, rather, a sneaky missionary project. There remained a possibility that it would be blocked. I pointed out the obvious, which was that, in a country with full religious freedom, whether or not the Center was for proselyting would be a matter of complete indifference to the government.

I saw nothing controversial in what I said about Israel. However, unbeknownst to me, there was a “stringer” for the Associated Press in the audience, and an article soon appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune and elsewhere that made it look as if I had devoted the entirety of my remarks to denouncing Israel as unfree and religiously oppressive.

University leaders were concerned that what I had (allegedly) said might threaten the completion of the Jerusalem Center, and I was soon privileged to meet several senior members of the administration. I recall actually sitting in the office of one of them, a physics professor, as he watched over my shoulder while I wrote a kind of recantation to the Tribune. At one point, when he seemed distracted for a moment, I muttered under my breath E pur si muove. “What did you say?” he asked. “Nothing,” I quickly replied.

I made my letter to the editor as unyielding and accurate as I could while still satisfying my taskmaster, but this was not a good position to be in for a junior, junior new hire. I was very vulnerable. Not only did I not yet have tenure (or its rough BYU equivalent, “continuing status”), I hadn’t even finished my dissertation.

Later, I was told by a high-ranking friend that my name had come up in one of the leading councils at the University, and that someone had described me to President Holland as a “loose cannon.”

Within a day or two, I found myself standing right next to President Holland, whom I had never before met. We were both browsing in the BYU bookstore. I introduced myself to him and said, “President Holland, I am not a loose cannon.” I explained and justified what I had told the student group, observing that what I had said was self-evidently true, and describing myself as very much a moderate on Middle Eastern political matters, much more sympathetic to Israel than the overwhelming majority of my fellow non-Israeli Arabists.

We became friends that day. I don’t want to overdo it — we were never poker buddies, we didn’t meet every Wednesday for lunch — but we remained friendly thereafter. A large part of that friendship was due to his remarkable memory for people and personal details. And to his genuine warmth and lack of pretense. Communications from him were always to “Dan,” from “Jeff.” (Elder Neal A. Maxwell had been the same way. “Hello, Dan? This is Neal.” I remember thinking once that I would never, ever, worlds without end, call him “Neal.”)

On one occasion, Elder Holland asked me to drop something off at his office. (I can’t recall what it was.) My wife and I were headed up through Salt Lake City to visit her parents in Bountiful. So I dressed up in a jacket and tie for the delivery, while she drove. When I reached his office, he asked (by name) where my wife was. I said that she was down in the car, that she wasn’t dressed appropriately for the Church Administration Building. “Oh,” he replied, “she should have come up. We’re just plain folks.”

Elder Holland was enthusiastic about BYU’s Islamic Translation Series, as Elder Maxwell had been. He even spoke at one of our events, in Beverly Hills, to a sizable audience of diplomats invited from Muslim countries. And he often carried copies of our published volumes with him to hand out as gifts when he traveled in the Middle East or in the Islamic world more generally. I was deeply gratified that, beyond being intrinsically worthwhile, they could be used in that way.

When, in 2012, I was ejected from the Neal A. Maxwell Institute at BYU in what, to me, was an unexpected coup, I was as low as I’ve ever been in my life. (My brother, my only sibling and the last remaining member of the small immediate family in which I had grown up — and to whom I was very close — had unexpectedly died shortly before.) So it was a helpful surprise one day to receive a very kind email from Elder Holland, expressing his “best wishes.” I won’t quote all that he said, but this will suggest the flavor of it: “University matters have to be university matters but personal friendships continue. Hope you are well.”

The last occasion on which my wife and I spent time with President Holland was probably about a year ago, in the Church Administration Building in Salt Lake City. For calendar reasons, he had been unable to attend the premiere of the Interpreter Foundation’s dramatic film Six Days in August. He wanted to see it, but his mobility issues and his public visibility and his schedule posed real challenges. Could we possibly do a private showing for him, as well as for a few of his family and his office staff? Would that be too inconvenient, too much of an imposition? It was, of course, a privilege. We had a wonderful time that my wife and I will never forget.
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Tom wrote:
Sun May 31, 2026 3:04 am
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sun May 31, 2026 2:13 am


Marcus,

The Afore's tales really are manna from heaven. Reading the delusional chronicles of a raging narcissist like the Afore is an absolute, delicious treat. Who can resist the unintentional comedy? A few of my favorites are when we have God acting as his personal wake-up call, an encounter with learning the German language that somehow left him with a permanent accent, and the deeply unsettling '"taking his time with his hands" in a dark-basement groping incident. And who could forget his groundbreaking foray into the paranormal, where the Afore was utterly stunned to discover he possesses the mystical gift of dowsing, a revelation triggered by the profound, supernatural movement of a wire coat hanger. Then there's the action movie Guatemalan river rescue, a teenage traffic ticket magically dismissed by a sympathetic Mormon judge, and that time he almost dumped a bowl of steaming hot goulash onto Bill Maher’s head. And, let's not forget his academic brilliance so staggering his professor excused him from the final exam. And let’s not overlook his agonizing brush with compassion when he won a high school student body election and felt a sudden, confusing wave of conflict while savoring the literal tears of his vanquished opponent. These tales are pure comedy gold, and I fervently pray the Afore never stops.
Another inspiring tale is one that friends of mine refer to as the Afore’s “Galileo Event.” It’s told here. I can envision him muttering under his breath E pur si muove while being forced by a ruthless BYU administrator to write a letter of recantation to the Salt Lake Tribune.

Incidentally, I knew the “taskmaster” administrator in the story. I intend to forward the Afore’s tale to the administrator’s family members. They’ll probably find it amusing.
I scrolled through the comments on DCP's blog entry.

One comment that amused me was:
JohnPackLambert wrote: I guarantee that when a black apostle is called many leftists will find something you [sic] complain about in who is chosen. This will most definitely be the result if my top guess is called.

At this point I have given up predicting the future. President Eyring has luckily lived far linger than I expected. The general conference just after President Ballard had died I thought I has the impression that would be the last time we heard President Eyring speak. I was clearly wrong.
As I read it, the first para of his comment - his "guarantee" - is a prediction. In the second para he claims to have given up predicting - well, at least as far as the future is concerned. Of course, coming after the prediction (of the future) in the first para may simply mean that he was announcing that said prediction would be his last.

by the way, I've no idea who John Pack Lambert is, and apart from his gratuitous swipe at "leftists" have nothing against the guy.
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I’ll be interested to read the transcript of this justification of cold blooded murder by…
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The title suggests the angle being pursued is that, when slaying the inebriated Laban, Nani was actually doing the guy a favour. I await with interest…
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Deane’s latest Facebook post:
For the record, I don't have much interest in becoming a pawn in someone else's fight. I'm naturally curious and write when I think I have something worth saying. I'm content to let my arguments stand or fall on their own merits.

What has surprised me through this whole affair is that the people most interested in what happened have often been people who disagree with me. I was disappointed that friends and colleagues I respect didn't have much to say about it.

What has been disappointing isn't the politics so much as losing an opportunity to participate in a space where ideas that bring me a great deal of joy might have found a hearing. That's the part that stings.

The conference organizer said my paper might be included in the published volume. But after all the drama surrounding this, my enthusiasm for the whole thing has largely evaporated..
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This absolutely *is* a watershed moment in the history of Mopologetics. Normally, the Afore would be up in arms, screaming about 'censorship,' muttering "E pur si muove," or something of that nature, and yet...? You really have to wonder what is going on behind the scenes. You almost get the sense that the Brethren are flexing their muscles and "asserting their suzerainty" over Interpreter. We already know--thanks to a slip-up by Louis Midgley--that the Church gives money to Interpreter. Maybe this is more extensive than we realize, though, and now the institutional Church--or, at least, the Brethren who are interested in controlling apologetics--are now "throwing their weight around" a bit more and calling the shots in terms of what happens?

I couldn't help but notice that one of the late Elder Holland's sons was in attendance at the conferences, and if you read between the lines, it's easy to imagine that all the griping on the Afore's part about attending to "administrative duties" may have been in reference to this individual--having to cater to him, usher him around, and so forth. Perhaps the senior Holland told his child that the Afore really was a "loose cannon," and that it was important to keep him on a short leash? Maybe put the thumb on the scales in terms of how much "donations" Interpreter gets, and that sort of thing?

Well, we can really only speculate. But this has all been remarkably strange--out of character, even, in certain ways.
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The Afore has finally discovered that when you take the church's money, you learn to love the taste of the church's muzzle.
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Tom wrote:
Sun May 31, 2026 3:04 am
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Sun May 31, 2026 2:13 am


Marcus,

The Afore's tales really are manna from heaven. Reading the delusional chronicles of a raging narcissist like the Afore is an absolute, delicious treat. Who can resist the unintentional comedy? A few of my favorites are when we have God acting as his personal wake-up call, an encounter with learning the German language that somehow left him with a permanent accent, and the deeply unsettling '"taking his time with his hands" in a dark-basement groping incident. And who could forget his groundbreaking foray into the paranormal, where the Afore was utterly stunned to discover he possesses the mystical gift of dowsing, a revelation triggered by the profound, supernatural movement of a wire coat hanger. Then there's the action movie Guatemalan river rescue, a teenage traffic ticket magically dismissed by a sympathetic Mormon judge, and that time he almost dumped a bowl of steaming hot goulash onto Bill Maher’s head. And, let's not forget his academic brilliance so staggering his professor excused him from the final exam. And let’s not overlook his agonizing brush with compassion when he won a high school student body election and felt a sudden, confusing wave of conflict while savoring the literal tears of his vanquished opponent. These tales are pure comedy gold, and I fervently pray the Afore never stops.
Another inspiring tale is one that friends of mine refer to as the Afore’s “Galileo Event.” It’s told here. I can envision him muttering under his breath E pur si muove while being forced by a ruthless BYU administrator to write a letter of recantation to the Salt Lake Tribune.

Incidentally, I knew the “taskmaster” administrator in the story. I intend to forward the Afore’s tale to the administrator’s family members. They’ll probably find it amusing.

ETA: here is the “Galileo Event” tale (plus a few other stories):
I first met President Holland — to me, he has always been “President Holland,” from the beginning — when I was a new member of the faculty at Brigham Young University. And it wasn’t a very auspicious start.

I had been invited to speak to a small group called “Students for Human Rights,” or something to that effect, about human rights in the Middle East. So, for about forty-five of the fifty minutes allotted to me, I discussed the sorry state of human rights across the region, which continues to be sorry pretty much to this day. At the end, I devoted roughly five minutes to the situation in Israel at the time, saying that Israel had a far better record than did the countries surrounding it, but that it was still definitely not perfect.

Brigham Young University’s Jerusalem Center for Near Eastern Studies was under construction at the time and was still the focus of loud controversy in Israel and even beyond, because of fears that it wasn’t really going to be an academic institution but, rather, a sneaky missionary project. There remained a possibility that it would be blocked. I pointed out the obvious, which was that, in a country with full religious freedom, whether or not the Center was for proselyting would be a matter of complete indifference to the government.

I saw nothing controversial in what I said about Israel. However, unbeknownst to me, there was a “stringer” for the Associated Press in the audience, and an article soon appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune and elsewhere that made it look as if I had devoted the entirety of my remarks to denouncing Israel as unfree and religiously oppressive.

University leaders were concerned that what I had (allegedly) said might threaten the completion of the Jerusalem Center, and I was soon privileged to meet several senior members of the administration. I recall actually sitting in the office of one of them, a physics professor, as he watched over my shoulder while I wrote a kind of recantation to the Tribune. At one point, when he seemed distracted for a moment, I muttered under my breath E pur si muove. “What did you say?” he asked. “Nothing,” I quickly replied.

I made my letter to the editor as unyielding and accurate as I could while still satisfying my taskmaster, but this was not a good position to be in for a junior, junior new hire. I was very vulnerable. Not only did I not yet have tenure (or its rough BYU equivalent, “continuing status”), I hadn’t even finished my dissertation.

Later, I was told by a high-ranking friend that my name had come up in one of the leading councils at the University, and that someone had described me to President Holland as a “loose cannon.”

Within a day or two, I found myself standing right next to President Holland, whom I had never before met. We were both browsing in the BYU bookstore. I introduced myself to him and said, “President Holland, I am not a loose cannon.” I explained and justified what I had told the student group, observing that what I had said was self-evidently true, and describing myself as very much a moderate on Middle Eastern political matters, much more sympathetic to Israel than the overwhelming majority of my fellow non-Israeli Arabists.

We became friends that day. I don’t want to overdo it — we were never poker buddies, we didn’t meet every Wednesday for lunch — but we remained friendly thereafter. A large part of that friendship was due to his remarkable memory for people and personal details. And to his genuine warmth and lack of pretense. Communications from him were always to “Dan,” from “Jeff.” (Elder Neal A. Maxwell had been the same way. “Hello, Dan? This is Neal.” I remember thinking once that I would never, ever, worlds without end, call him “Neal.”)

On one occasion, Elder Holland asked me to drop something off at his office. (I can’t recall what it was.) My wife and I were headed up through Salt Lake City to visit her parents in Bountiful. So I dressed up in a jacket and tie for the delivery, while she drove. When I reached his office, he asked (by name) where my wife was. I said that she was down in the car, that she wasn’t dressed appropriately for the Church Administration Building. “Oh,” he replied, “she should have come up. We’re just plain folks.”

Elder Holland was enthusiastic about BYU’s Islamic Translation Series, as Elder Maxwell had been. He even spoke at one of our events, in Beverly Hills, to a sizable audience of diplomats invited from Muslim countries. And he often carried copies of our published volumes with him to hand out as gifts when he traveled in the Middle East or in the Islamic world more generally. I was deeply gratified that, beyond being intrinsically worthwhile, they could be used in that way.

When, in 2012, I was ejected from the Neal A. Maxwell Institute at BYU in what, to me, was an unexpected coup, I was as low as I’ve ever been in my life. (My brother, my only sibling and the last remaining member of the small immediate family in which I had grown up — and to whom I was very close — had unexpectedly died shortly before.) So it was a helpful surprise one day to receive a very kind email from Elder Holland, expressing his “best wishes.” I won’t quote all that he said, but this will suggest the flavor of it: “University matters have to be university matters but personal friendships continue. Hope you are well.”

The last occasion on which my wife and I spent time with President Holland was probably about a year ago, in the Church Administration Building in Salt Lake City. For calendar reasons, he had been unable to attend the premiere of the Interpreter Foundation’s dramatic film Six Days in August. He wanted to see it, but his mobility issues and his public visibility and his schedule posed real challenges. Could we possibly do a private showing for him, as well as for a few of his family and his office staff? Would that be too inconvenient, too much of an imposition? It was, of course, a privilege. We had a wonderful time that my wife and I will never forget.
For the record, here is the text of the Afore’s letter to the Salt Lake Tribune, as it was published in 1988:
Didn't Say It

I was quite surprised by the headline in the June 1 Tribune, "BYU Professor Calls Middle East ‘Most Corrupt Place on Earth.' " In fact, I claimed that the Middle East is the most ill-governed place on Earth. With Gadhafi, Khomeimi, et al., in mind, I stand by this statement.

The article did not fully represent the tenor of my remarks. My speech was a historical overview — beginning in the 11th century — of the circumstances leading to today's human rights problems in the region.

Delivered to a small campus group at lunchtime, it was a rather abstract and academic speech, perhaps — I thought at the time — too little oriented toward contemporary issues. In the course of an hour-long discussion, I spent only a few minutes on Israel.

I wish to stress that, while I am an uncritical supporter of neither the Israeli government nor my own, I am not an enemy of Israel, either. I fear that the article may have given a misleading impression.

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The Afore wrote:Later, I was told by a high-ranking friend that my name had come up in one of the leading councils at the University, and that someone had described me to President Holland as a “loose cannon.”
The Afore is the definition of a "loose cannon." Launching a public relations nightmare as an un-tenured, pre-dissertation junior hire is the academic equivalent of juggling torches in a firework factory. Most people wait until they actually have job security before testing the university president's patience.

Whoever first warned President Holland about the Afore being a "loose cannon" was prophetic. Little did Holland know that this public relations nightmare would kick off a lifelong career of perpetual controversy and headaches. From the infamous "Metcalf is a Butthead" incident and getting evicted from the Maxwell Institute for writing hit pieces, to waging a multi-year public vendetta against his own university/Maxwell Institute/Gerald Bradford, to a career marred by plagiarism and the distinction of holding the single worst student reviews on the entire campus, and finally reaching the dizzying heights of agreeing to an academic conferences alongside an Iranian mass murderer. The Afore has been a walking institutional migraine. It's safe to say that if Holland had a time machine, he wouldn't use it to change history, he’d use it to go back to that very first council meeting and fire the Afore on the spot.
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Marcus wrote:
Sat May 30, 2026 10:33 pm
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Still no mention of the censorship of Deane. But the Afore says that he is nonetheless "very pleased" with the way that the conference has been going so far--he's even boasting that they are going to need 2 whole book-length volumes in order to publish the "proceedings"! Maybe Deane could be invited to publish his paper in *that* volume?

Hilariously (or appropriately?) the Afore only took time out to watch presentations delivered by his long-term Mopologetic buddies. Why, you might ask? Because of food, naturally!

Really? The organizer of the entire thing has to leave a current event because the "arrangements" for a "special" meal were not in place? What about an upcoming meal does he need to arrange? Advance tastings???? So far, he has jusitified skipping out on multiple presentations due to administrative duties. These tales he tells are hilarious.
It is curious. I read his summary of the second day, including this enigmatic passage:
Alas, I spent a lot of the day in private conversations outside of the plenary and concurrent sessions. I say “Alas,” but they were interesting, pleasant, and worthwhile. I don’t regret them at all, except in the inescapable sense that they meant that, yet again today, I missed many of the presentations. (I also spent a bit of time hiding out, making some unsatisfying changes to my own paper, with which I’ve never been satisfied.) I missed many very interesting presentations. Not only for that reason, but definitely including it, I look forward to eventually seeing these papers appear in print. And I hope that an even broader audience will be able to hear and see them still sooner than that, when video recordings of them go up online. This has been, from what I’ve seen and heard and been told by other attendees, a very good conference.
Sounds like a very good conference. It’s unclear why he missed most of it.
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