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Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 2:30 am
by drumdude
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ncoln.html
DCP wrote:A week or two ago, I posted here some extracts from a book by Reggie Anderson, written with the assistance of Jennifer Schuchmann. The book is entitled Appointments with Heaven: The True Story of a Country Doctor’s Healing Encounters With the Hereafter (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale Momentum, 2013). I want to mention here another passage that caught my attention, partially at least because I’ve had a couple of roughly similar experiences myself.

The book tells a story about a boy who was brought in by his mother one night while Dr. Anderson was working the overnight shift in the emergency room. The boy had bumped his head. It didn’t seem very serious at first, but then the boy began vomiting and the mother grew worried. Dr. Anderson examined him and concluded that there was nothing to be concerned about. He was intending to give her a sheet of information on head injuries and then send the two of them home.

“”Well, his scan looks good,” he heard himself say, “but I think we should send him to Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital to get a CT scan of his head.”

“I had no idea why I said that. I wasn’t intending to say it, but the words slipped out of my mouth. I looked at the nurse. She stared back at me like I was a lunatic. Even the mother looked a bit confused.”

Out of the room, the nurse questioned him. The boy seemed healthy, after all. Now, they would need to find a neurosurgeon in the middle of the night, make arrangements at the Vanderbilt University hospital, order an ambulance to transport the boy and his mother to Nashville, and so forth. They would need to do lots of paperwork.

All Dr. Anderson could respond was “God just told me to send him.” To this day, he writes, he doesn’t know what prompted him to do what he did. He expected the neurosurgeon to call and say that the boy was fine.

When the neurosurgeon did call, though, four hours later, he asked why Dr. Anderson had sent the boy. Anderson responded that he didn’t know.

“Well, I’m glad you did,” the neurosurgeon said. “I just got out of surgery. We evacuated a hematoma from his brain. If you hadn’t gotten him here in time, he would have died.”

The story struck me because, on at least two occasions, one of them a particularly clear case, I’ve heard words come out of my mouth during priesthood healing blessings that I had not intended to say and that seemed decidedly imprudent and unrealistic given the realities involved . . . and that were fulfilled. I know what it’s like.
Spooky. Similar to Dan's account of water dousing, it's not subject to much examination or prodding as to the accuracy of the supernatural events described in the story.

I enjoy finding these little Mormon anecdotes. I think it makes the Mormon audience, intently listening, believe more strongly in their collective "powers." These stories are often multi-dimensional, too. It's not enough of a miracle that the priesthood blessing worked, it's also a miracle that the priesthood holder said something they couldn't have known about. Two birds with one stone. There's an implicit art to telling a good Mormon folk tale, and it has a pattern. Just like a good Mormon blessing/prayer.

I mentioned to Marcus in another thread that I wish someone would collect all of these Mormon stories (tm). They're genuinely fascinating, and a very Mormon cultural phenomena. I've seen similar stories watching documentaries about the FLDS, with very similar language around priesthood, miracles, authority, and so on. Teenage girls talk about how strongly and unmistakably they felt the spirit to be sealed to a man old enough to be their father.

These kinds of folk tales have a very powerful binding force, keeping members bound to each other and to their beliefs.

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 3:43 am
by malkie
Prof Peterson wrote:The story struck me because, on at least two occasions, one of them a particularly clear case, I’ve heard words come out of my mouth during priesthood healing blessings that I had not intended to say and that seemed decidedly imprudent and unrealistic given the realities involved . . . and that were fulfilled. I know what it’s like.
MormonWiki: Priesthood Blessings wrote:When a personal blessing is given, the priesthood holder administering the blessing seeks promptings from the Holy Ghost to know the needs of the individual and inspiration as to what to say in the blessing.
MormonWiki: Priesthood Blessings

I'm confused - yeah, I know, what's new about that?

Based on the quote from MormonWiki, should it not be common that the person pronouncing the blessing may hear words come out of their mouth that they had not intended to say, and that may even seem imprudent and unrealistic? Is that not what the "promptings ... to know the needs ... and inspiration as to what to say" means? Or is it really the case that Holy Ghost's "promptings" can normally be expected to contain only what the person had intended to say?

What is it that seekers of healing blessings expect? To hear only what the priesthood holder thinks he should say, without any input or inspiration from the "spirit"? Should priesthood holders disclose to the sick person that they are about to hear, other than in exceptional circumstances, only whatever thoughts the priesthood holder has? If so, why bother with the blessing ritual? Why not just sit down for a little chat?

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 6:22 am
by bill4long
On a humorous note, Joseph Smith's father, Joseph Smith Sr, was the church patriarch in Nauvoo. He charged $1 for patriarchal blessings; about $40 in today's money. To his credit, he didn't charge the poor.

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 10:25 am
by Physics Guy
Anderson was an experienced doctor on night shift in Emergency, and vomiting after a head injury is not a good sign. It seems plausible that he decided for a CT scan based on ordinary medical judgement, but he was tired at the time, and his subconscious was more alert than the rest of him.

Especially when everyone's tired, the easiest course is to say that everything seems fine, and just go with the flow. It takes a special kind of nerve, even when you're the doctor in charge, to rock the boat and launch everyone into an urgent effort when it isn't obviously needed. A belief that sometimes God prompts people to do things might have made it psychologically easier for Anderson to step up for that.

Doctors are supposed to be able to do that, so doctors of all kinds of persuasions have to find ways to do it. An atheist might just adopt a habitual principle of acting on instincts in situations like that, after thinking through the issues. I expect that if you can find some way to make yourself push harder like that when it doesn't seem necessary, however you manage it, then at some point you'll have a story like Anderson's, where your weird determination saves a life, and that after that it won't be so hard any more.

If a belief in God's promptings was how Anderson did it, then fine, because it seems to have worked. Conversely, if atheistic doctors also have similar stories, then maybe God was prompting them, too.

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 12:59 pm
by msnobody
Physics Guy wrote:
Sun May 10, 2026 10:25 am
Anderson was an experienced doctor on night shift in Emergency, and vomiting after a head injury is not a good sign. It seems plausible that he decided for a CT scan based on ordinary medical judgement, but he was tired at the time, and his subconscious was more alert than the rest of him.

Especially when everyone's tired, the easiest course is to say that everything seems fine, and just go with the flow. It takes a special kind of nerve, even when you're the doctor in charge, to rock the boat and launch everyone into an urgent effort when it isn't obviously needed. A belief that sometimes God prompts people to do things might have made it psychologically easier for Anderson to step up for that.

Doctors are supposed to be able to do that, so doctors of all kinds of persuasions have to find ways to do it. An atheist might just adopt a habitual principle of acting on instincts in situations like that, after thinking through the issues. I expect that if you can find some way to make yourself push harder like that when it doesn't seem necessary, however you manage it, then at some point you'll have a story like Anderson's, where your weird determination saves a life, and that after that it won't be so hard any more.

If a belief in God's promptings was how Anderson did it, then fine, because it seems to have worked. Conversely, if atheistic doctors also have similar stories, then maybe God was prompting them, too.
Agreed. The vomiting is a red flag symptom that should at the least warrant further observation, rather than just making a decision to pack the boy up and send him home. Could be a slow bleed.

I also believe that God prompts anyone his wishes.

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 1:40 pm
by Fence Sitter
My wife went to the doctor with a headache. He prescribed medication for a head cold. A month later, after the headaches persisted and increased in severity, we went to a different doctor, who advised us to go to the emergency room. A CT scan revealed a brain tumor that was later diagnosed as glioblastoma. After a very difficult two to three years, she died.

I’m not looking for sympathy here. I had a wonderful 40 years married to her, and I cherish every minute of it. Crap happens in life, just like miracles do. I don’t blame God for her passing any more than I would blame Santa Claus. And I understand that these kinds of stories can give people hope and strength. It’s when this type of story is used to promote a particular religious belief that I take exception.

Funny how in F&T meeting you always hear about the miracle of the one person God protected in a tragic car accident, but not about the five others who died.

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 1:55 pm
by malkie
Perhaps the doc's training included consideration of the Minimax Regret Criterion, and he applied it either consciously or unconsciously:
wikipedia: Regret_(decision_theory) wrote:In decision theory, regret aversion (or anticipated regret) describes how the human emotional response of regret can influence decision-making under uncertainty. When individuals make choices without complete information, they often experience regret if they later discover that a different choice would have produced a better outcome. This regret can be quantified as the difference in value between the actual decision made and what would have been the optimal decision in hindsight.
Regret_(decision_theory)

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 1:55 pm
by malkie
dupe

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 2:37 pm
by drumdude
Fence Sitter wrote:
Sun May 10, 2026 1:40 pm
My wife went to the doctor with a headache. He prescribed medication for a head cold. A month later, after the headaches persisted and increased in severity, we went to a different doctor, who advised us to go to the emergency room. A CT scan revealed a brain tumor that was later diagnosed as glioblastoma. After a very difficult two to three years, she died.

I’m not looking for sympathy here. I had a wonderful 40 years married to her, and I cherish every minute of it. Crap happens in life, just like miracles do. I don’t blame God for her passing any more than I would blame Santa Claus. And I understand that these kinds of stories can give people hope and strength. It’s when this type of story is used to promote a particular religious belief that I take exception.

Funny how in F&T meeting you always hear about the miracle of the one person God protected in a tragic car accident, but not about the five others who died.
I find the juxtaposition even harder to swallow when God is supposedly helping people testifying in FT find their lost car keys, while others are silently enduring unimaginable suffering.

I’m so sorry you had to go through that.

Re: Tales from the High Priest Crypt - Mysterious priesthood blessings

Posted: Sun May 10, 2026 2:55 pm
by Fence Sitter
drumdude wrote:
Sun May 10, 2026 2:37 pm


I find the juxtaposition even harder to swallow when God is supposedly helping people testifying in FT find their lost car keys, while others are silently enduring unimaginable suffering.

I’m so sorry you had to go through that.
Many years ago, my faithful older brother lost his 16-year-old son in a climbing accident. Throughout the intervening years, whenever I hear stories about how God miraculously intervened to help someone, I wonder how my brother feels about God not saving his son.

I know others will say that isn’t the right way to look at it, and perhaps for my brother it can’t be, because it would simply be too painful. But for me, that is exactly the way I look at it.

Whenever I hear stories about “God helped me find my keys,” I can’t help but think that maybe He was off busy finding someone’s keys when my nephew fell.