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Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2026 9:04 pm
by Doctor Scratch
A throwaway remark on SeN caught my attention the other day:
The Afore wrote:It scarcely needs to be pointed out that I’m a far more despicable person than Darth Vader.
The appropriate initial reaction to this, of course, is a hearty roll of the eyes: yes, yet another dumb, self-deprecating remark. "Ohhh! Look at me! I'm so evil! I'm so despicable!" Etc. But it's disingenuous, and actually makes me wonder just how familiar the Afore actually is with the "Star Wars" narratives. Indeed, it actually may be of some value to scholars of Mopologetics to consider the ways that Star Wars can shed light on the phenomenon of Mopologetics. While I understand that the imaginative world of Lord of the Rings tends to be the one that the Mopologists themselves tend to gravitate towards, maybe Star Wars is the more effective interpretive lens?

So let's start with the notion that the Interpreter President is somehow like Darth Vader:

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Is he? Consider the basic arc of Vader's story: he's a highly promising young Jedi ("the chosen one") who winds up turning to the dark side out of desperation and fear. He has nightmares that his beloved Padme is going to die somehow and so he pledges himself to Lord Sidious in the hopes of learning the dark side powers that can prevent her from dying.

Okay: sure, I can see certain parallels. It's easy to imagine the Afore turning to evil out of fear that he's going to die--i.e., he goes full-blown Sith and engages in a decades-long campaign of bullying and attacking people in the hopes that this will somehow guarantee his entrance into the CK. But the difference is that this kind of "dark alliance" is pure selfishness. In the Star Wars universe, Anakin *is* selfishly motivated: he wants to save Padme for himself, but he also still wants to save Padme. There is no indication that the Afore is aligning with the Dark Side because he hopes it will benefit anyone other than himself.

And then there is the issue of Vader's basic power. There were those among the Jedi Counsel that thought of him as the "chosen one." I'm sure that the Afore has been entertaining delusions along those lines for many, many years, but I doubt anyone else has. And I'm sorry: I simply cannot buy the Brethren as being akin in any way to the Jedi Council. But could one or more of the Brethren be seen as the Emperor? Certainly. What if we view the launch of Mopologetics as a kind of dark-side oath in which Neal Maxwell demanded that FARMS "hunt down" critics in the same way that Vader hunted down and exterminated the post-Order 66 Jedi? It's certainly interesting to think about it in that way.

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Above: An analog for Louis Midgley? Or Neal Maxwell?

Of course, I've always been fond of comparing Louis Midgley to Emperor Palpatine, thanks to his deranged and curmudgeonly callousness, along with the rather jaundiced pallor of his vindictive mien. But I could see many of the Brethren also stepping into the role: Packer? Monson? Nelson? Sure: all Emperor-esque. All exuding the menace and dread that one associates with the dark side of the Force.

As for the Afore, I think that better comparisons can be made than Vader. What about Jabba the Hutt, for example?

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Frogs, sure. But what about mushroom Swiss burgers? Or cheese fondue? Or date milkshakes? Or chicken-fried steak?

The opening crawl in Return of the Jedi describes him as a "vile gangster." He has the carbonite-encased Han Solo hanging on the wall of his dungeon-palace as a kind of decoration--sort of like how the Mopologists were fond of collecting embarrassing emails from critics to "hang" on the "walls" of SHIELDS. And recall that Jabba seems to spend most of his time lounging around, eating weird frog creatures, being ferried around to festive events on Tatooine via a flying sail barge, and relishing the idea of publicly executing his enemies.

Or, if not Jabba, then what about Nute Gunray?

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Gunray first appears in The Phantom Menace as a kind of sniveling toady who's being manipulated by Darth Sidious. Gunray is also the greedy-minded public face of the Trade Federation, and he has a peculiar, hard-to-place accent. Ultimately, he's hacked to pieces by Anakin/Darth Vader, along with the rest of the Separatists towards the end of Revenge of the Sith, but prior to that, he seemed to think that he was going to prosper enormously from his alliance with Sidious.

Anyhow: you get the point. It's interesting to think about other similarities. Perhaps Midgley is more like Darth Plagueis? And is Greg Smith similar to Ochi of Bestoon, the gaunt, sallow-faced killer with buttons for eyes who murders Rey's parents in The Rise of Skywalker?

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Well, I will simply leave you with a final thought, which is this: did the bad guys in the Star Wars films ever actually see themselves as being "bad"? Vader tells Luke in The Empire Strikes Back that he wants to "bring order to the galaxy." In any case, I cannot help but think that the "Star Wars" universe offers up quite a rich mode of interpretation vis-a-vis Mopologetics.

May the Force be with you!

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2026 9:41 pm
by Dr. Shades
Thank you for this, Doctor Scratch. Very entertaining!

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2026 9:54 pm
by Shulem
Doctor Scratch wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2026 9:04 pm
The Afore wrote:It scarcely needs to be pointed out that I’m a far more despicable person than Darth Vader.
The appropriate initial reaction to this, of course, is a hearty roll of the eyes: yes, yet another dumb, self-deprecating remark. "Ohhh! Look at me! I'm so evil! I'm so despicable!" Etc. But it's disingenuous, and actually makes me wonder just how familiar the Afore actually is with the "Star Wars" narratives.

Is Peterson living in cartoon land?

Look, Darth Vader was a murderer. Not just a murderer, but a child killer, one who slaughtered innocent younglings and countless others in his quest to wield power. Vader channeled dark forces of energy as if he was Satan himself. Vader would have slit the throat of Jesus and burned the apostles on stakes. He would have ordered storm troopers to slaughter all Mormons and burn their chapels and temples to the ground.

I will agree that Peterson is despicable. He's a bit stupid too.

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2026 10:02 pm
by Doctor Scratch
I'm grateful for the kind words, Doctor Shades. I feel that there is a great deal of "richness" (to borrow an old "new MI" term) in this approach.

Consider the "Jedi mind trick."

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Remind you of anything? Like "remote viewing," perhaps? Or is "remote viewing" the kind of power that one would associate with the Jedi? Absolutely. But in the universe of "Star Wars," there are some who are resistant to this type of Force ability. You may recall that Luke Skywalker attempts to use the Jedi mind trick on Jabba the Hutt, but his (i.e., Jabba's) species is apparently impervious to that type of manipulation and he laughs at Luke for making the attempt. Not so lucky, though, is poor Bib Fortuna, who *is* susceptible to the Jedi mind trick and whom Jabba sharply upbraids, calling him a "weak-minded fool."

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And you know, I saw that Allen Wyatt has been popping in lately to comment on various posts at SeN. Fortuna is fundamentally a subservient character--there to make sure that Jabba is comfortable. His posture is essentially one of non-stop obeisance. And with his red irises and the tentacles coiled around his head, is there something Wyatt-esque about him? Perhaps. You may recall the Afore ridiculing Wyatt and making fun of his speaking voice during an old episode of "The Interpreter Radio Program." Is that the same thing as calling him a "weak-minded fool"? You will have to be the final judge of that.

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2026 10:03 pm
by Dr. Shades
Shulem wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2026 9:54 pm
Look, Darth Vader was a murderer. Not just a murderer, but a child killer, one who slaughtered innocent younglings and countless others in his quest to wield power.
At the risk of derailing this thread, I'm going to have to disagree with that last part. As Darth Sidious charged him; "Do what must be done!" Darth Vader did everything not out of a quest to wield power but out of a misplaced sense of duty.* This allegiance to duty is what allowed the Emperor to metaphorically lead him by the nose.
Vader would have slit the throat of Jesus and burned the apostles on stakes. He would have ordered storm troopers to slaughter all Mormons and burn their chapels and temples to the ground.
If so, it wouldn't have been out of spite or hatred, but only if he thought it must be done.

*To bring order to the galaxy.

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2026 11:18 pm
by Gadianton
I wonder if a light saber also works as a cane? At any rate, I applaud the maturity of thought in this dissertation. I am well out of my depth here in Star Wars lore. From what I recall, I can definitely see the overzealous sense of duty in Vader, and I don't get that sense from any of the main apologists. I mean, Palpatine never flipped out and demanded the cannon get plugged did he?

I also don't think Vader would spend most of his time vacationing around the galaxy and enjoying the good life on the Imperial dime.

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2026 1:41 am
by Physics Guy
Mm, dunno about that. A big plot weakness in Star Wars is how all the characters keep finding each other In. The. Galaxy.

Even if the galaxy far, far away is much smaller than the Milky Way, it has to be way too big for people to just keep bumping into each other like that.

But maybe all the events take place in popular resorts, and Vader likes cruises. That would raise the odds of meeting by a lot.

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2026 2:06 am
by Doctor Scratch
Gadianton wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2026 11:18 pm
I wonder if a light saber also works as a cane?
My guess is “No.” But recall that Master Yoda is seen using a cane, despite not needing to. Honestly, I don’t understand the umbrage over the suggestion that he might be using a cane. Perhaps it’s the idea that it makes him seem effete, or perhaps even C-3PO-esque? Speaking of which: I’m confident that 3PO, despite his prowess with many languages, would also have difficulty organizing a potluck celebration dinner. (“Goodness gracious! How am *I* supposed to prepare dessert! Let Chewbacca do it!”)

(And an interesting trivia tidbit: back during the days of Z, Bill Hamblin had a sock puppet named “Morgbot X” that used C-3PO as its avatar.)

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2026 12:19 pm
by Shulem
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2026 10:03 pm
Shulem wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2026 9:54 pm
Look, Darth Vader was a murderer. Not just a murderer, but a child killer, one who slaughtered innocent younglings and countless others in his quest to wield power.
At the risk of derailing this thread, I'm going to have to disagree with that last part. As Darth Sidious charged him; "Do what must be done!" Darth Vader did everything not out of a quest to wield power but out of a misplaced sense of duty.* This allegiance to duty is what allowed the Emperor to metaphorically lead him by the nose.
Vader would have slit the throat of Jesus and burned the apostles on stakes. He would have ordered storm troopers to slaughter all Mormons and burn their chapels and temples to the ground.
If so, it wouldn't have been out of spite or hatred, but only if he thought it must be done.

*To bring order to the galaxy.

Well, yes, to bring order to the galaxy and with a little luck he at one point hoped to destroy Palpatine and have Padme rule at his side. Remember that? In any case, Vader had a great deal of hate and anger pent up in his soul. After slaying the sand people who were responsible for his mother's death, Anakin made it clear that he killed all of them, the women and the children too, and declared, "I hate them!"

So how about Peterson? Is he ready to commit murder and blaspheme the Holy Ghost just to prove he's a badass? Has Peterson actually ever said he hates anyone in particular? Poor Peterson, he will do anything to get attention. He's an attention whore! Right?

Re: Mopologetics and "Star Wars"

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2026 1:57 pm
by Gadianton
Physics Guy wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2026 1:41 am
Mm, dunno about that. A big plot weakness in Star Wars is how all the characters keep finding each other In. The. Galaxy.

Even if the galaxy far, far away is much smaller than the Milky Way, it has to be way too big for people to just keep bumping into each other like that.

But maybe all the events take place in popular resorts, and Vader likes cruises. That would raise the odds of meeting by a lot.
This is a general problem with big worlds, it's not easy to make the universe feel as big as the claims. Now, this is a rightful criticism of Mopologetics also, because if the church is true, and if we are in the end times, and if FARMS was the only consecrated line of defense by the leaders, then it would make sense that this small group of senior apologists are quite special, the equivalent of Star Wars heroes. In fact, this very argument was made once in their favor by a low-ranking apologist on MDDB. Dan was posting there at the time (before getting essentially kicked off) and this apologist made the rightful observations -- given the assumptions -- that the world hangs in the balance in the last days with nothing more important than the church, that Bill and Dan, the leads of the scholarly arm, must have the highest IQs of anyone in the world. Dan did not dispute the claim. Note even a half-hearted, "oh, come now, this is a bit of an exaggeration."