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The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2026 9:13 pm
by Doctor Scratch
An attack, lobbed from afar--
check it out:
I happened across a comment the other day from an intelligent but deeply disaffected and now completely non-communicant Latter-day Saint that included this (to me rather astonishing) passage, in which he summarizes the Church’s program of ministering brothers and sisters (formerly known as “home teachers”):
The Reverend wrote:you are expected to invite “ministers” into your home to snoop and make sure you aren’t breaking their made-up rules for how to live your life like a joyless prig.
No thanks.
I have to admit that his remark is so utterly foreign to my understanding of home teachers and “ministers” (I’m not overly fond of the latter terminology) that, even days later, I find myself marveling at how . . . well, frankly, at how warped and dyspeptic and bizarre it seems to me. I can’t recall ever feeling that the ward teachers or home teachers or visiting teachers or ministering brothers and sisters were there to snoop or to spy on me. Nor, when fulfilling my own assignments in visiting members of my wards over the years, have I ever viewed snooping or spying as any part of my role. Not a primary part nor a secondary part nor a tertiary part. Nor have I ever, ever, viewed the lifestyle of a committed and faithful Latter-day Saint as that of “a joyless prig.” Wow. If his words, cited above, really describe the view that he held while still active in the Church, and possibly even the disdain and contempt with which he came to view his fellow Latter-day Saints, I’m not at
all surprised that he’s left it.
The Reverend's quote comes from page 3 of the "Losing Sleep Over a Friend's Latte" thread, and perhaps unsurprisingly, the Afore does not provide a link nor offer up any kind of context. But there are some things worth delving into here in a bit more detail, I think. Is it really "warped and dyspeptic and bizarre" to assume that there might be any kind of "snooping" or "spying" being done by a "committed and faithful Latter-day Saint"? Has he ever heard of the SCMC? Did he not once work as an "agent" for said Committee? ("Agent" was *his* own word, by the way.) And what about "snooping" or "spying" on somebody's Facebook page, as was done to John Dehlin and others? (In fact, doing so led to the writing of the infamous "hit piece" and, by extension, to classic-FARMS getting jettisoned from the Maxwell Institute.) And what about the BYU spying incidents, during Wilkinson's reign?
Regardless, the Kish-bashing continues in the comments:
While reading about the disdain the former ‘active’ member of the Church now proclaims, I see the fulfillment of President Nelson’s declaration. I paraphrase: in coming days it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the companionship of the Holy Ghost. Previous modern prophets have made similar declarations and President Oaks has quoted President Nelson’s counsel.
Disaffected Latter-day Saint: “You are expected to invite “ministers” into your home to snoop and make sure you aren’t breaking their made-up rules for how to live your life like a joyless prig.
No thanks.”
Solomon: “The wicked flee when no man pursueth.”
You have to wonder what the Afore was up to with this post.
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2026 11:12 pm
by Gadianton
Here's a serious question for Dr. Peterson. Suppose he were home teaching to a brother who is a regular temple-goer and he spots a coffee maker gurgling away in the kitchen. Would he report this to his superiors?
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2026 11:32 pm
by Shulem
Gadianton wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2026 11:12 pm
Here's a serious question for Dr. Peterson. Suppose he were home teaching to a brother who is a regular temple-goer and he spots a coffee maker gurgling away in the kitchen. Would he report this to his superiors?
That's small potatoes, Gad-baby. What if the
home teacher minister guy (Fat Peterson) happened to notice bottles of Jack Daniels and Crown Royal sitting on a countertop? Which bottle would Dan ask for to pour himself a drink?
[ ] Jack
[ ] Crown
Then, after several drinks, drunk-Dan can discuss the virtuous translations given by horny-boy Smith as published in Times and Seasons regarding Facsimile No. 3 and reveal the name of
King Pharaoh. That would be a miracle!
f-u Dan. You're dumb and I'm smarter than you.
What's the king's name, you fat pig?
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2026 11:35 pm
by Doctor Scratch
Gadianton wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2026 11:12 pm
Here's a serious question for Dr. Peterson. Suppose he were home teaching to a brother who is a regular temple-goer and he spots a coffee maker gurgling away in the kitchen. Would he report this to his superiors?
I think that, at minimum, he’d gossip about it to people, similar to the malicious rumors he helped to spread about Mike Quinn.
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2026 2:06 am
by Gadianton
From what I'm reading, since 2018, instead of collecting simple monthly stats regarding which of your contacts you visited, you now report on the "needs" of your contacts. An advancement certainly in line with Jeremy Bentham's panopticon. Given this new system, I have a hard time believing a coffee machine running full tilt would go unreported, but perhaps it would. I await clarification.
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2026 2:24 am
by The Before
Gadianton wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2026 11:12 pm
Here's a serious question for Dr. Peterson. Suppose he were home teaching to a brother who is a regular temple-goer and he spots a coffee maker gurgling away in the kitchen. Would he report this to his superiors?
I once attended a Jim Rohn seminar. One of his biggest pieces of advice was that, “Asking is the beginning of receiving.” So why don’t you just ask Peterson what you want to ask him? Did he ban you? Make another account. Block your email? Create a new one.
In my religion, the Dúnedain who watch over me never care what I’m doing unless the larger world might be in danger.
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2026 2:55 am
by Limnor
The Before wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2026 2:24 am
So why don’t you just ask Peterson what you want to ask him?
Seems like that’s what Gad just did.
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2026 3:47 am
by The Before
Limnor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2026 2:55 am
The Before wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2026 2:24 am
So why don’t you just ask Peterson what you want to ask him?
Seems like that’s what Gad just did.
You’re right, but I guess I was thinking that it might be more effective to ask on Peterson’s blog. I think you knew meant, you little rascal!
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2026 7:01 am
by drumdude
The Before wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2026 3:47 am
Limnor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2026 2:55 am
Seems like that’s what Gad just did.
You’re right, but I guess I was thinking that it might be more effective to ask on Peterson’s blog. I think you knew meant, you little rascal!
It seems Daniel prefers to talk at each other from afar.
Re: The Rev. Kishkumen Comes Under Fire at "SeN"
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2026 11:53 am
by Marcus
The Before wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2026 2:24 am
Gadianton wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2026 11:12 pm
Here's a serious question for Dr. Peterson. Suppose he were home teaching to a brother who is a regular temple-goer and he spots a coffee maker gurgling away in the kitchen. Would he report this to his superiors?
I once attended a Jim Rohn seminar. One of his biggest pieces of advice was that, “Asking is the beginning of receiving.” So why don’t you just ask Peterson what you want to ask him? Did he ban you? Make another account. Block your email? Create a new one.
In my religion, the Dúnedain who watch over me never care what I’m doing unless the larger world might be in danger.
In this case, your advice amounts to taking the bait, but I think you know that. Peterson isn’t so much watching over anyone as he is hunting them down.