Kwaku El posts violent anti-Dehlin video

[Shulem]

It's Utah. I doubt they take the report seriously. But they should. The potential crime is a threat of violence. If whoever is in charge of investigating or adjudicating it believes it reasonably made John Dehlin fear for his safety. If the post was not a threat of violence, what was it?

Let's put it in perspective. This crime did not just occur in Utah but over the Internet in all 50 states. It *is* and will be considered a crime if it finds its way into a courtroom. Count on it.

Calling the FBI was justified. The event is not localized to just Utah. It's national and the feds need to get involved.

Quacko Duck screwed the pooch. If anything happens to Dehlin there will be severe consequences against Quacko and those responsible for inciting violence.

[consiglieri]

I think it likely the young man preparing for his mission who tweeted an image of a Bowie Knife together with a threat to use it to ill effect on John Dehlin may be arrested before too many more suns have set.

[Shulem]

I think it likely the young man preparing for his mission who tweeted an image of a Bowie Knife together with a threat to use it to ill effect on John Dehlin may be arrested before too many more suns have set.

I certainly hope so. You'd think that young people would know better than to make fun and poke about hurting others in a violent manner. That is a line that cannot be crossed.

I have to wonder if President Trump may face some kind of legal difficulties in the near future if violent crimes are committed against certain persons he poked fun of.

This is serious stuff. Very serious.

[Lem]

I think it likely the young man preparing for his mission who tweeted an image of a Bowie Knife together with a threat to use it to ill effect on John Dehlin may be arrested before too many more suns have set.

I saw that. Someone pointed out the risk is not kwaku doing something stupid, but rather someone unstable following his ideas and doing something stupid. That is a valid concern.

[Shulem]

I think it likely the young man preparing for his mission who tweeted an image of a Bowie Knife together with a threat to use it to ill effect on John Dehlin may be arrested before too many more suns have set.

I saw that. Someone pointed out the risk is not kwaku doing something stupid, but rather someone unstable following his ideas and doing something stupid. That is a valid concern.

Exactly, I would wager that Quacko probably doesn't have a mean bone in his body, per se, but in reality is probably a fun loving guy to be around. The problem is that he made a real bad mistake in allowing himself to participate in promoting terroristic threats. Quacko got himself involved when he copied and posted something of that nature -- especially with his damn name on it. He should have made a public statement disavowing anything to do with it and condemn violence in any form.

He screwed up. Big time. And it's going to cost him.

[Dr. Sunstoned]

dup

[Lem]

Peterson may have disavowed his involvement with these videos but it's obvious he hasn't outgrown the same immature, smart- aleck mindset. Look at his response to a thoughtful post from Billy Shears:

Billy Shears > Kiwi57 • 19 hours ago

Of course Mr. Runnells wasn't "asking for answers to his earnest questions" when he was writing the letter. Insinuating that he claimed otherwise is a lie. The letter begins by saying, "Obviously, I'm a disaffected member who lost his testimony so it's no secret which side I'm on at the moment." The ostentatious point of the letter isn't that of a "genuine seeker looking for answers." Rather, it is a comprehensive list of why he doesn't believe.

Runnells said:

"Contrary to what apologists say about me, I didn't decide one day to write the CES Letter and put it out there on the internet to "destroy tender Mormon testimonies." All of my work has been from a defense posture; not an offense posture.

The CES Director approached me first. He asked me to share my questions and concerns with him. Seeing a glimmer of hope that he might have official answers that were better than the unofficial Mormon apologetic crap I was frustrated with, I took his offer seriously. I wrote a letter to him. I emailed it to him. He read it and stated that it was "very well-written" and that he would give me a response. Days turned to weeks, and weeks turned to months, and months turned to years. I never heard back from him again.

Prior to sending off the letter to the CES Director, I shared my draft in a closed Facebook group as well as on Reddit. I wanted feedback to ensure that it was as accurate as it can be so that I didn't waste the director's time or mine. Unbeknownst to me at the time, a lot of people liked it and started sharing it with family and friends. This is how it started going viral on the internet. Next thing I know, the document is listed on MormonThink.com and things take off. Then FairMormon attacked it a few months later and I found myself pulled into this current that I never sought or wanted.

When FairMormon started attacking me, they made a lot of false claims and ad hominems about me and the letter. Further, a few mistakes came to my attention that I corrected in the letter. I needed a centralized place to defend myself from FairMormon's attacks as well as to provide the latest update of the letter to ensure that accurate information was floating around. When the LDS Church started releasing its essays, I included the essays in the letter in a spirit of transparency for my readers. This is how www.cesletter.com was born. My primary motives were for the above reasons. Not because I wanted to destroy Mormonism or any of the similar claims that apologists make up."

A comprehensive list of the reasons disbelievers disbelieve seems like a genuinely valuable thing to be compiled. If there aren't compelling responses to the issues, calling Runnells a "professional liar" and a "worthless" human being might be the best apologetics possible.

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DanielPeterson Mod > Billy Shears • 15 hours ago

BS: "If there aren't compelling responses to the issues, calling Runnells a "professional liar" and a "worthless" human being might be the best apologetics possible."

An item from rural Utah family lore comes to mind:

"If wishes were fishes, we'd have a big fry. If horse____ were biscuits, we'd eat till we die."

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... ideos.html

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[Bought Yahoo]

Some comments.

1. Runnels. Redlund. I can't keep them straight.

2. I have found CES directors and teachers to be, in the large part, rather ignorant about the historical method, testing evidence and even undersanding apologetic responses.

3. I have become profoundly unhappy with FAIR. I'd just keep away.

[Doctor Scratch]

Peterson may have disavowed his involvement with these videos but it's obvious he hasn't outgrown the same immature, smart- aleck mindset.

Indeed. It seems that he's now admitting that he more or less approves:

I can certainly appreciate what FairMormon and, I think, Kwaku are trying to do. My little blog entry of yesterday was, in part, a nod in that direction:

https://www.patheos.com/blo...

There will be missteps along the way, of course.

[Philo Sofee]

Peterson may have disavowed his involvement with these videos but it's obvious he hasn't outgrown the same immature, smart- aleck mindset.

Indeed. It seems that he's now admitting that he more or less approves:

I can certainly appreciate what FairMormon and, I think, Kwaku are trying to do. My little blog entry of yesterday was, in part, a nod in that direction:

https://www.patheos.com/blo...

There will be missteps along the way, of course.

Mormonism and its closed mindedness to any questions of any sorts will always lead to much, much more than mere insignificant "missteps." Peterson knows this of course, but being so highly paid, it's not worth pursuing. He's got his economics in life covered, he need not pay attention to honesty, character, and a calm, loving demeanor and attempts to help a poor fellow out with "truth." Why should he bother? He won't, anymore than he did with Hamblin. And, of course, it's the person's fault, never the church's.....

I wonder once he gets out from under the stifling of Mormonism and their pre-ordained "truth" through retirement he will finally allow some actual honesty in his mind like Hauglid did....any bets?