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Your Honor and all Judges and Magistrates:

The Church continues to publish the slanderous Explanations of FACSIMILE NO. 3. It also publishes a childish apologetic mockup contained in an official Church publication entitled:

“The Book of Abraham,” The Pearl of Great Price Student Manual (2000), 28–41

With regard to Facsimile No. 3, the Church says virtually nothing on an official level. Church leaders never discuss it. Never! The above supplement is a rare look at the scant information produced and presented by official Church scholarship on their website regarding original translation claims made by Joseph Smith. In other words, informed leaders of the Church today know that Smith's claims are false but continue to publish them on pretense that members will accept them as true and ignore the objections of science and Egyptology from specialized universities around the world.

“The Book of Abraham,” The Pearl of Great Price Student Manual (2000), 28–41 wrote: Image

Facsimile 3. General Information

In Abraham 3:15, the Lord told Abraham that he was to teach the Egyptians the things he had learned (see Abraham 3:15). Commenting on this, the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “The learning of the Egyptians, and their knowledge of astronomy was no doubt taught them by Abraham and Joseph, as their records testify, who received it from the Lord” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 251).

Facsimile 3, figure 1. Abraham upon Pharaoh’s Throne

In figure 1 of facsimile 3, Abraham is shown seated upon the throne of Pharaoh, “reasoning upon the principles of Astronomy, in the king’s court” (explanation for facsimile 3; see also the explanation for figure 1). It is clear in Abraham 3:1–16 and facsimile 2, figures 1–5, that Abraham gained great knowledge of the principles of astronomy. Figure 1 could also be symbolic of Abraham receiving his exaltation and sitting upon a throne in the presence of God (see D&C 132:37).

Church leaders know that it's not really Abraham sitting on the throne. Scholars employed by Brigham Young University are also aware of this fact that refutes Smith's original claim contained in the canonical Explanation -- nevertheless, the Church continues to publish the falsehood in order to support the claim that Smith was translating Egyptian.

The Church employs the phrase "could also be symbolic" in order to distance itself from a literal translation and distance itself from Smith's original claim that he was literally translating Egyptian and not just providing a symbolic explanation that had no basis in fact or reality.

Then again, the use of the word "could" is suggestive that perhaps it could not, leaving only one alternative explanation -- the translation is literal as Smith and his assistants originally claimed, not symbolic. The Church is trying to play both sides of the fence and the double talk is simply dishonest.
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hauslern wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:11 pm
Shulem
Have you seen any hypocephalus where Nehebka is a "bird" Because the facsimile was damage there Smith would have only seen the top of the figure hence calling it like a "dove"

hauslern,

To be fair, a Ba soul can be depicted in various worship scenes such as the one below which you so graciously provided in your link. Note the Ba soul in the upper register and there are two in the bottom register. But note it closely that the heads of the Bas are clearly human in form. Human heads! Nehebkau does not have a human head but is a serpent and has a serpent head. If you look at the sketch drawing of the damaged Joseph Smith Hypocephalus, you can plainly make out that the head is animal in form -- very much like a serpent's head, NOT a human Ba head. And ultimately, that is what was represented in Facsimile No. 2. So, the case for proving Ritner's interpretation that the figure is Nehebkau is absolutely correct. That is why Rhode's apologetic smoke and mirrors game angers me.

I hope that helps. I apologize if I come across as rude.

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consiglieri wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:10 pm
Doing lots of research for Mormon Stories Interview Friday morning at 8:00 a.m. Mountain Time.

The subject is the class action lawsuit against the LDS Church.

On 12/20/20, the Plaintiff amended the complaint to add an additional piece of evidence of the LDS Church hiding information.

It is the metal printing plate for Facsimile 3 with the snout of Anubis chiseled off!

Just wanted Shulem to know his discovery is now part and parcel of the lawsuit against the Church, and is part of the record.

Nice work!

Sad to hear that my complaint in the lawsuit about Anubis's nose being hacked out of the lead plate was thrown out of court. It just goes to show that religion in America is on the rampage and that religions are free to abuse and pillage how ever they like without being held accountable.

Religious cults in America are scary business.
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Discuss Mormonism is relevant and is dismantling the Book of Abraham.

WE draw the line.

WE set the bar.

WE are in control.

Let the apologists quake and tremble. They don't scare us!
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Shulem wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:25 am
Discuss Mormonism is relevant and is dismantling the Book of Abraham.

WE draw the line.

WE set the bar.

WE are in control.

Let the apologists quake and tremble. They don't scare us!
And what beautifully enables this is the actual evidence the church itself has published... the irony is rich with this one... :D
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Shulem wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:34 am
Sad to hear that my complaint in the lawsuit about Anubis's nose being hacked out of the lead plate was thrown out of court.
It is like the Utah court thumbed its nose against this ancient Egyptian religion, thereby indicating that the only religion with sway in its jurisdiction is the "Mormon" Church.
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Moksha wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:05 am
Shulem wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:34 am
Sad to hear that my complaint in the lawsuit about Anubis's nose being hacked out of the lead plate was thrown out of court.
It is like the Utah court thumbed its nose against this ancient Egyptian religion, thereby indicating that the only religion with sway in its jurisdiction is the "Mormon" Church.
Like? Exactly like.
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Marcus wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:07 pm
Moksha wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:05 am

It is like the Utah court thumbed its nose against this ancient Egyptian religion, thereby indicating that the only religion with sway in its jurisdiction is the "Mormon" Church.
Like? Exactly like.
Yes, well... Mormonism wouldn't want the actual truth to actually get out into the actual real world so folks can actually see it all for themselves... all knowledge, doctrine, and desires must go through proper priesthood channels in order to remain on the Covenant Path ya know... :roll:
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:38 pm
Marcus wrote:
Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:07 pm

Like? Exactly like.
Yes, well... Mormonism wouldn't want the actual truth to actually get out into the actual real world so folks can actually see it all for themselves... all knowledge, doctrine, and desires must go through proper priesthood channels in order to remain on the Covenant Path ya know... :roll:
:lol: the Covenant Path thing is after my time. It's amazing how culty this stuff sounds when you don't grow up with it.
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